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    Re: Solar Power and the future

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The tree huggers don't like that either.
    We just have to come to the realization that humans are the problem....End them and you save the earth.


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    Re: Renewable energy can power the world, says landmark IPCC study

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We already are. Where is the money going to come from, if you kill all actual private sector jobs?




    How do you figger it will be free?



    I've seen some of these so called deductions and they appear to be more bonafide tax deductions vice actual government handouts. I'm confused as to how people think that writing off business expenses can be considered a subsidy. Care to explain?
    You do realize, of course you do, that Nukes are uninsurable and are not financed by banks because of the potential downside liability, ergo government financed.

    Free-when you use renewables and do home generation, the savings from not paying utility companies is likely spent in the locale where the savings occur.

    And yep, you guessed it, it would create a few million jobs implementing the renewables. Of course, those would all be local jobs, nothing for Exxon/Mobil or Con Ed, but even worse it would become necessary to maintain the renewables at a local level.

    Some people wouldn't spend their savings and stick them in banks. I'm not sure I like that part, but local credit unions would be OK.

    And then there are those, like yourself, who like Global Warming and don't think we should make jobs and mitigate it simultaneously. I'll have to get a truckload of sand delivered to my place and stick my head deep in it to see your perspective, you know , like an ostrich. You and j-mac.

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    Re: Solar Power and the future

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    With respect to renewable energy, several quick thoughts:

    1) Renewable sources will likely provide an increasing share of energy over the longer-term for obvious reasons (geopolitical risk, depletion of conventional sources, increasing attractiveness as a substitute for conventional sources as renewable technologies advance).

    2) It remains unclear which source of renewable energy will "break out" from the pack so to speak. Indeed, the summary released by IPCC states, "Scenarios do not indicate an obvious single dominant RE technology at a global level; in addition, the global overall technical potentials do not constrain the future contribution of RE." However, it is probably more likely than not that some disruptive innovation will lead to a qualitative edge for a particular source. That has typically been the story with emerging industries and there is little reason to believe that the experience in the renewable energy sector would be any different.

    3) Experience/learning curves coupled with technological advances should lead to lower cost production for a variety of renewable energy sources.

    4) Investment and research could lead to one or more countries gaining a qualitative comparative edge in renewable energy technology. Countries facing factor disadvantages in conventional energy sources, rapidly growing energy consumption needs, and a large market of prospective customers, might have the greatest incentive to pursue renewable energy research and development. For example, China is aggressively pursuing R&D in solar energy. Already, China may be near or in the lead globally in solar energy technology.

    5) A significant barrier to renewable energy investment could be the looming era of austerity for parts of Western Europe and the U.S. Huge fiscal challenges could reduce public investments as political leaders try to cushion the need to restructure popular entitlement/mandatory spending programs. It is not implausible that a country outside of Western Europe or besides the U.S. could gain a sustainable competitive advantage in one or more renewable energy technologies.

    6) Biofuels face an additional barrier. The need to feed people/animals generated by growing populations in some countries and improving nutrition that corresponds with economic development could compete with use for biofuels. The former situation would very likely take precedent over time, especially as developing countries gain greater global clout.

    FWIW, the summary of the IPCC report can be found at: http://srren.ipcc-wg3.de/report/srren-spm-fd4

    The full report will be posted on May 31, 2011 at: IPCC SRREN: Summary for Policy Makers
    I seem to recall reading in popular science some time ago that there are forces working on a type of battery that is made of iron, and some chemical mixture that utilizes very thin membranes piled together on top of each other but not touching. so close that we start to get to atomic, even Planck distances. These membranes are made of iron, and engulfed in this chemical soup that when hit with neutrino's (I think it was neutrinos) causes the membranes to jiggle. The jiggling excites the chemical soup and keeps recharging the battery. Sort of like a cold fusion power source if you will. The problems as I recall were in just how long it took to automatically recharge itself based on the consumption of power being used. It apparently worked, but the power draw needed to be very low, and the recharge time was equally slow, but it was essentially a self sustaining power source.

    Very cool stuff..


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