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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    I say scrap the Republican idea of requiring people to purchase insurance, which Obama included to appease the moderate Republicans.....and go back to the Democratic public option, which was far superior to the Republican idea.
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I say scrap the Republican idea of requiring people to purchase insurance, which Obama included to appease the moderate Republicans.....and go back to the Democratic public option, which was far superior to the Republican idea.
    The public option would be a better. I agree.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    First off, to Zimmer:

    If you're going to use someone else's commentary to support your argument, I think it only fair and wise that you USE THE ENTIRE QUOTE so that people can fully understand the context of your argument. Towit, I'm referring to your post #22:

    LA: Many Middle Eastern societies have a kind of tribal or theocratic basis and long-held habits of despotic rule that make it difficult to establish a system of contract between strangers. Is it your view that the introduction of free markets in such places could overcome those obstacles?

    MF: Eventually, yes. I think that nothing is so important for freedom as recognizing in the law each individual's natural right to property, and giving individuals a sense that they own something that they're responsible for, that they have control over, and that they can dispose of.

    LA: Is there an area here in the United States in which we have not been as aggressive as we should in promoting property rights and free markets?

    MF: Yes, in the field of medical care. We have a socialist-communist system of distributing medical care. Instead of letting people hire their own physicians and pay them, no one pays his or her own medical bills. Instead, there's a third party payment system. It is a communist system and it has a communist result. Despite this, we've had numerous miracles in medical science. From the discovery of penicillin, to new surgical techniques, to MRIs and CAT scans, the last 30 or 40 years have been a period of miraculous change in medical science. On the other hand, we've seen costs skyrocket. Nobody is happy: physicians don't like it, patients don't like it. Why? Because none of them are responsible for themselves. You no longer have a situation in which a patient chooses a physician, receives a service, gets charged, and pays for it. There is no direct relation between the patient and the physician. The physician is an employee of an insurance company or an employee of the government. Today, a third party pays the bills. As a result, no one who visits the doctor asks what the charge is going to be—somebody else is going to take care of that. The end result is third party payment and, worst of all, third party treatment.

    LA: Following the recent expansion in prescription drug benefits and Medicare, what hope is there for a return to the free market in medical care?

    MF: It does seem that markets are on the defensive, but there is hope. The expansion of drug benefits was accompanied by the introduction of health savings accounts—HSAs. That's the one hopeful sign in the medical area, because it's a step in the direction of making people responsible for themselves and for their own care. No one spends somebody else's money as carefully as he spends his own.
    Clearly, Milton Friedman wasn't talking about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act nor the provision that mandates that those individuals who can afford to purchase health insurance do so or pay a fine. He was talking about the health care system as a whole. Now, if you want to get technical, what Mr. Friedman proposes - that aspect of "giving individuals a sense that they own something that they're responsible for", that IS the individual mandate right there because it is only those individuals who can afford health insurance but refuse to purchase it that in Friedman's who words are NOT taking responsibility for themselves when they have the means to do so.

    As to whether or not PPACA is constitutional or unconstitutional, I'll be posting further on this issue in the coming days, but I think people should first review these two linked articles before going any further with this discussion:

    1) Testimony from Charles Fried, Beneficial Professor of Law, Harvard Law School and former Solicitor General under former President Ronald Reagan

    2) Signed statement by 130 law professors declaring the constitutionality of the PPACA.

    Read...learn...comprehend the full scoup of the health care problem in this nation, set aside your partisanship and then let's have a real discussion on this issue.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I say scrap
    few care what you do or don't say, especially when it's all fantasy

    the Republican idea of requiring people to purchase insurance, which Obama included to appease the moderate Republicans
    LOL!

    that's why olympia snowe and susan collins and george voinovich, et al, voted zero to unanimous AGAINST obamacare

    that's why scott brown ran and won TEDDY KENNEDY'S SEAT as committed #41

    that's why obamacare had to be RECONCILED

    you're just gonna have to live it, libs, love it

    it's all yours, obamacare

    ...and go back to the Democratic public option, which was far superior to the Republican idea.
    like i said, a fantasy

    ask kent conrad, your still BUDGET CHAIR

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    Conrad Says He'll Vote Against The Public Option | TPMDC

    public option today is exactly as conceivable here in reality as cap and trade

    but don't let that stop you from making your wish

    what are your other two?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The public option would be a better
    you don't know KENT CONRAD either?

    LOL!

    cuz if you aint got the BUDGET CHAIR, well, you're pretty far out there

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Anyone opposing AffordableCare is either a stooge for the plutocrats or a dupe.
    that's an awful lotta dupes

    remember november---most house seats since 1938, most state reps and leg's in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

    We need this law.
    why do so many want out?

    Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

    why does ANTHONY WEINER wanna waiver?

    Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York - Kate Nocera - POLITICO.com

    for NEW YORK?

    do you KNOW mr weiner?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Where did anyone claim that the healthcare bill would instantly save businesses lots of money?
    PolitiFact | Obama said health care reform will reduce the cost of health care

    "We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care," Obama said. "Families will save on their premiums; businesses that will see their costs rise if we do nothing will save money now and in the future. This plan will strengthen Medicare and extend the life of that program. And because it gets rid of the waste and inefficiencies in our health care system, this will be the largest deficit reduction plan in over a decade.

    "Now, I just want to repeat this because there's so much misinformation about the cost issue here. You talk to every health care economist out there and they will tell you that whatever ideas are -- whatever ideas exist in terms of bending the cost curve and starting to reduce costs for families, businesses, and government, those elements are in this bill."

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The only (sic) worse than this reform would have been to have done nothing, which is really what those opposing in congress largely wanted.
    you don't know PAUL RYAN either?

    wow

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    tone it down to something more like what s actually being proposed.
    what's actually being proposed?

    what imagination are you inhabiting?

    the only thing being proposed is ryan

    and repeal

    and weiner wants a waiver

    whereya been?

    LOL!

    i think you're confusing virtual with real

    buy a tv

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The public option would be a better. I agree.
    You can not make person A responsible to pay for person B without making person A a slave to person B.


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