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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I'll side with Milton, and Solzhenitsyn... and their defining USSR Kare and finding "A Way Out of Soviet-Style Health Care".

    Milton Friedman: A Way Out of Soviet-Style Health Care - WSJ.com

    I know you mean well and your Lib buddies have inner Primal Screams when they're tied to promoting Communist styled systems (not that Michael Moore and other Leftist mouth pieces would do that) but all I can say is... change your spots.

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    It's not a side, it's a fact. No one has proposed any communist system. Hyperbole and strawmen don't change that.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a side, it's a fact. No one has proposed any communist system. Hyperbole and strawmen don't change that.
    Under a single payer system like what you want to see, would there be a choice to not have the government system? If I were denied treatment could I pay for it myself?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Under a single payer system like what you want to see, would there be a choice to not have the government system? If I were denied treatment could I pay for it myself?

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    yes. You could also have private insurance. And doctors would not be working for the government either.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a side, it's a fact. No one has proposed any communist system. Hyperbole and strawmen don't change that.
    It is a Communist styled system. I think Friedman and Solzhenitsyn made the case clearly, in terms an average person can understand if they opened their minds. (See the link in my signature. You might want to read the book. It is there for folks precisely like you.)

    Today we have the Full Animal Farm Effect too. Some being more equal and better connected than others and able to be exempted.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It is a Communist styled system. I think Friedman and Solzhenitsyn made the case clearly, in terms an average person can understand if they opened their minds. (See the link in my signature. You might want to read the book. It is there for folks precisely like you.)

    Today we have the Full Animal Farm Effect too. Some being more equal and better connected than others and able to be exempted.

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    No, they don't. The drink the same silliness you're drinking. It is nothing of the kind.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Well, you certainly have a lot of caveats in there..
    You were asking about businesses and then post something regarding the countries budget and then get worked up when I ask you for something that actually shows what you were arguing? You have no idea what you're talking about and I honestly don't know where to start in trying to make you understand these very simple concepts...
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they don't. The drink the same silliness you're drinking. It is nothing of the kind.
    This is the beauty of letting Libs ramble on.

    Solzhenitsyn and Friedman... "silly".

    I am reminded by something Charlie Munger has spoken and written about. Some will point their fingers at me, but my defense is I did keep an open mind as I was a Commi Lib at a young age, learned continuously as a young man and continue to do so as an older fart. Keeping an open mind is how I shifted to the Conservative-Libertarian philosophy over years. I haven't seen fit to go back. I'm not so much for an ideology except Conservatism embraces the greatest good for the greatest number over the longest period. For these reasons the dung known as ObamaKare should be stopped.

    The Socialist-Liberal philosophy is a proven failure everywhere it has been attempted. Having lived it, I can espouse it, can try to defend it, but someone with a decent grasp of Capitalism, Conservatism & Liberty would destroy these arguments with fact. The only reply is the Boo Radley reply; ignore fact, ignore history, attempt to dispose of uncomfortable realities by calling them straw men and the like, and then declare people like Friedman and I would suppose former socialist von Mises, Hayak and Solzhenitsyn silly.

    Charlie Munger: Another thing I think should be avoided is extremely intense ideology because it cabbages up one’s mind. You see it a lot with T.V. preachers -- many have minds made of cabbage -- but it can also happen with political ideology. When you’re young it’s easy to drift into loyalties and when you announce that you’re a loyal member and you start shouting the orthodox ideology out, what you’re doing is pounding it in, pounding it in, and you’re gradually ruining your mind. So you want to be very, very careful of this ideology. It’s a big danger.

    In my mind, I have a little example I use whenever I think about ideology. The example is these Scandinavia canoeists who succeeded in taming all the rapids of Scandinavia and they thought they would tackle the whirlpools of the Aron [sp.] Rapids here in the United States. The death rate was 100%. A big whirlpool is not something you want to go into, and I think the same is true about a really deep ideology.

    I have what I call an iron prescription that helps me keep sane when I naturally drift toward preferring one ideology over another and that is: I say that I’m not entitled to have an opinion on this subject unless I can state the arguments against my position better than the people who support it. I think only when I’ve reached that state am I qualified to speak. This business of not drifting into extreme ideology is a very, very important thing in life.
    Boo... Just Say No to Cabbage.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Aagin, Zimmer, facts are facts. no one has suggested anything liek a communist sytem. Doesn't matter who you quote, what koolaid your drink, the facts are still the facts.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Aagin, Zimmer, facts are facts. no one has suggested anything liek a communist sytem. Doesn't matter who you quote, what koolaid your drink, the facts are still the facts.
    It is already in existence. Solzhenitsyn's writings explain the system, its deep deficits, and the inherent decay.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If it's so great, why are so many unions asking to be exempted from it?
    I am sure that politicians won't even volunteer to use it unless they are CRAZY.
    Catch me if you can.

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