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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    /sarcasmon

    WOW I'm just simply stunned that Medicare with its proportion of young healthy individuals would have a higher mortality rate!

    /sarcasmoff

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    1. we were talking medicaid, not medicare

    2. "after controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs" as well as highest mortality of the four primary payers studied, medicare, medicaid, the uninsured and those covered by privates

    link above

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    it's NOT redistribution

    except that it IS

    meanwhile, reid and pelosi and weiner want OUT

    obamacare's a pig

    sorry
    exactly. and I hope I'm not the only one noticing that not one liberal supporting this healthcare welfare has yet to tell me what I am paying for, whats in it for me..
    and theres a reason for that.

    they want so badly to say, eventually Obamacare will drive my rates down, but deep down they are embarressed to even imply it might.

    simply put, because thats all that gets through, is simplicity,
    you cant add 30 million+ people to a health care system already overburdened with overcost and regulations,
    by adding more costs and regulations and expect things to get better.

    You want to talk real problem fixing, you simply tell people they will enroll in some kind of plan, just like I do, and if you dont, dont show up at a hospital without an ID,
    and when they present that ID, they get 0 tax refund until they pay that bill off entirely.
    And that money goes into a healthcare fund to directly lower my costs....every penny of it, not to the government general fund.

    And if you do show up without an ID, you are helped in a humane way and then carted off by the Imagration authority, and shipped back to wherever it is you came from for follow up treatment.. and your family will be left behind to fend for themselves, aunless they want to show up with an ID and state thier case, and they get shipped back with you if they try to cause trouble and arent legal.

    THAT
    will get the freeloaders/ illegals attention, anything short of that is just redistribution of wealth, my hard earned wealth.
    thats socialism

    This is America, land of opportunity, and responsibility.. and its going to hell because of liberal asswipes like my friend above admitted to being.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    yup, obamacare's a pig

    here's what's in it for us, the non exempt american people

    it expands medicare by millions without any structural reform, instead actually CUTTING its already severely upside down funding a full HALF TRILLION

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs actually increase

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isnít Easy - NYTimes.com

    our already broken backed states are burdened with a quarter T in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees, the ghetto of health care, unfunded

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    the university of virginia actually finds that americans with NO INSURANCE fare better than those whose primary pay status is medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    why do you think HARRY REID opts out?

    why PELOSI?

    live it, libs, love it, it's all yours

    seeya at the polls

    remember november

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    and it's not just redistribution

    the slasher's happy health czar, beneficiary of recess appointment, is also an open proponent of RATIONING

    Donald Berwick - HealthPop - CBS News

    well, ration away, raskolnikov

    vote obama, 2012!

    redistribute!

    ration!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

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    The Obama administration’s signature initiative to control health care costs is in danger of being crushed under its own weight.

    In March, the administration released the long-awaited proposed rule on accountable care organizations — networks of hospitals and physicians that are supposed to work together to bring down costs by improving care. They’re the symbol of the Obama administration’s belief that driving providers to deliver better care will also eliminate large amounts of unnecessary spending.

    They’re also a centerpiece of President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, which authorizes Medicare to set up ACOs as a permanent program — open to any group of health care providers that can meet the eligibility requirements — rather than just a pilot program.

    Before the rule came out, it had been eagerly anticipated for months, with many providers signaling they would enroll as soon as there were details. At the time, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the department had spent months carefully digesting all of the feedback so it could write a rule flexible enough to allow many different kinds of providers to take part.

    But now that providers have had time to digest it, even the most likely candidates have rejected it as written.

    Their biggest concerns include the provisions that are supposed to keep the ACOs from potentially increasing Medicare spending — costing, rather than saving, money — if savings targets aren’t reached.

    This is a necessary caution, given the potential scope of the program, according to experts on health and budget issues. But if this makes it unworkable for providers, the administration will have choked the goose that is supposed to lay the golden savings.

    And whether the final version of the rule is stricter or looser than the current version, it’s not clear that the Obama administration can actually get the savings it wants.
    Health reform rule spooks providers - J. Lester Feder - POLITICO.com

    the president's prime piece is a pig

    seeya at the polls, progressives

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    yesterday:

    President Obama's solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn't like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.
    Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money | Philip Klein | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    wow, what a buncha weirdos

    seeya at the polls, progressives

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

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    One of the key provisions in President Barack Obama’s health care reform law — his preferred method for getting Medicare costs under control — is facing a groundswell of opposition from unexpected corners. Several House Democrats have signed on to support a bill to repeal the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel created by the law that is supposed to help control rising costs in Medicare. The National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, a prominent supporter of the law, is now actively lobbying for its repeal, too.

    The opposition puts some Democrats and a prominent advocacy group on the same side as House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) standing against Obama. Ryan has called IPAB a rationing board. The president, for his part, answered Ryan’s budget by proposing an even stronger version of the board than the health reform law created.

    So far, the bill has seven Democratic co-sponsors. Sources tell POLITICO that others also have suggested privately that they would support the bill if it comes to the House floor.

    The IPAB’s popularity — which has never been high, particularly among House Democrats — is on the decline just as the House’s budget has made the very suggestion of cutting Medicare a red-hot issue on the campaign trail. Republicans, led by Ryan, argue that the IPAB would ration care.

    The White House and Senate Democrats are unlikely to support giving up the policy. Obama doubled down on the IPAB in April during his budget speech, after the House passed Ryan’s budget plan. “We will slow the growth of Medicare costs by strengthening an independent commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and consumers who will look at all the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending while protecting access to the services seniors need,” Obama said.

    The growing support among Democrats has Republicans who have put the IPAB near the top of their health repeal priority list questioning how best to use it. Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), the repeal bill’s House sponsor, has floated the idea of trying to attach the IPAB repeal to the debt limit. The House Energy and Commerce Committee is expected to hold at least two hearings on the IPAB — the first as soon as next week. Senate Republicans could get an opportunity to try to force a vote on an IPAB repeal amendment as soon as this week.

    Gathering support among Democrats will be easier in the House than in the Senate, where the idea began. The House health care bill didn’t include the IPAB, and several dozen members expressed their opposition to the board to then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    Health care provider groups have made IPAB repeal a top priority, too. If they can’t repeal the whole provision, they want to eliminate a deal made last year to keep hospitals out of the program until 2018. “We’re going to raise holy hell if IPAB happens without the hospitals,” a health lobbyist said.
    Medicare pay board is losing vital support - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

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    Judges on a federal appeals court panel on Wednesday repeatedly raised questions about President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, expressing unease with the requirement that virtually all Americans carry health insurance or face penalties.

    All three judges on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals panel questioned whether upholding the landmark law could open the door to Congress adopting other sweeping economic mandates. The panel is made up of two Democratic appointees and one Republican appointee.

    The Atlanta panel did not immediately rule on the lawsuit brought by 26 states, a coalition of small businesses and private individuals who urged the three to side with a Florida judge who struck down the law. And it's never easy to predict how an appeals panel will decide.

    But during almost three hours of oral arguments, the judges asked pointed questions about the so-called individual mandate, which the federal government says is needed to expand coverage to tens of millions of uninsured Americans. With other challenges to the law before other federal appeals courts, lawyers expect that its fate will ultimately be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
    US judges seem receptive to health care challenge - Yahoo! News

    stay tuned

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    a new day, a new direction

    today: AP: Obama Admin to End Health Care Waivers

    better be careful, barry

    if you can't discover a vision and stick to it, you might come across as capricious

    there's one constant, thruout:

    Officials announced Friday that all applications for new waivers and renewals of existing ones have to be in by Sept 22.

    That would remove a potential political distraction in the 2012 elections.
    expediency, anyone?

    the vulgar politicization of people's and organizations' health care choices?

    washington knows best?

    seeya at the polls, pals
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