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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    it's NOT redistribution

    except that it IS

    meanwhile, reid and pelosi and weiner want OUT

    obamacare's a pig

    sorry
    Private insurance is also redistribution, so does that mean those who oppose NHC for all are also hypocrites?
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluespade View Post
    Coming from Obama's mouth, it wasn't a tax. Weird.
    It wasn't a tax, that is why it is unconstitutional. You asked how it would be implemented. By taxing it the legal way and gov. paying private medicals with the money.
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Private insurance is also redistribution, so does that mean those who oppose NHC for all are hypocrites?
    That makes no sense what so ever.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluespade View Post
    That makes no sense what so ever.
    That is because you never gave it any thought, and set your mind on the media key talking points, thus limiting your view of reality.

    To begin with private insurance, you pay a few hundred into a group medical plan, and when you have a bill running up in the thousands, the group's money pays for your injury. Not your money, the bill exceeded everything you paid in that was redistributed to others in the group. So you benefited from redistribution by the group. Gov. insurance works the same way, but don't claim your plan doesn't redistribute when you need it.

    But that is only half of the issue. Insurance company's take my money to fund you!! Yes, they get billions in subsides annually, and some of that was redistributed from my pocket, and the pockets of workers who have no health care.

    Federal tax subsidies for employer-sponsored insurance
    (ESI) provide over $100 billion in tax benefits annually.


    http://www.rwjf.org/files/research/s...licyprimer.pdf

    There is no getting around the redistribution you are involved in. So for anyone with insurance to complain, they are hypocrites!!
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    That is because you never gave it any thought, and set your mind on the media key talking points, thus limiting your view of reality.

    To begin with private insurance, you pay a few hundred into a group medical plan, and when you have a bill running up in the thousands, the group's money pays for your injury. Not your money, the bill exceeded everything you paid in that was redistributed to others in the group. So you benefited from redistribution by the group. Gov. insurance works the same way, but don't claim your plan doesn't redistribute when you need it.


    But that is only half of the issue. Insurance company's take my money to fund you!! Yes, they get billions in subsides annually, and some of that was redistributed from my pocket, and the pockets of workers who have no health care.

    Federal tax subsidies for employer-sponsored insurance
    (ESI) provide over $100 billion in tax benefits annually.


    http://www.rwjf.org/files/research/s...licyprimer.pdf

    There is no getting around the redistribution you are involved in. So for anyone with insurance to complain, they are hypocrites!!


    Those "subsidies" are for employers........not insurance companies...............and if you buy your own insurance.............you would get that "subsidy" on your tax return as well........

    not to mention insurance is VOLUNTARY And insurance damn sure doesnt redistribute to anyone that DOESNT PUT IN

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PT Again View Post
    Those "subsidies" are for employers........not insurance companies...............and if you buy your own insurance.............you would get that "subsidy" on your tax return as well........

    not to mention insurance is VOLUNTARY And insurance damn sure doesnt redistribute to anyone that DOESNT PUT IN
    Not quite ture btw. Insurance premuiums are based in part on costs of medical care. That cost is often based on treatment that was given to people who didn't pay. So, as your insurance company has to pay prices that are linked to people who didn't pay, your premium is covering people who don't have insurance.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Employers have been dropping folks for years, just knowing Obama would do this even before he consider running.
    Your hyperbolic fear aside, most of the problems you and others fear describe exactly what has been happening.
    completely incoherent

    LOL!

    dept chair, huh?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PT Again View Post
    Those "subsidies" are for employers........not insurance companies...............and if you buy your own insurance.............you would get that "subsidy" on your tax return as well........

    not to mention insurance is VOLUNTARY And insurance damn sure doesnt redistribute to anyone that DOESNT PUT IN
    You haven't told me why it isn't redistribution? The semantics game: $Gov. subsidy - $employer - $insurance - $you & $dr.

    Only personal insurance is voluntary, but so is Medicare. And the Obama plan required everybody to have some "type" of medical care. But regardless of these side issues, the redistribution occurs, so..................

    You might be interested in this tidbit subsidy I help pay for as well.

    The funding provided in George Bush’s Medicare D plan for Medicare Advantage plans is an example of corporate welfare which does not benefit patient care. Under the program, insurance companies are provided more money than it costs to care for patients under the government’s Medicare program, despite the insurance companies cherry picking healthier patients.
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    state farm and prudential redistribute!

    cuz if you don't get in a car crash your premiums pay for those who do

    LOL!

    just like obamacare!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    state farm and prudential redistribute!

    cuz if you don't get in a car crash your premiums pay for those who do

    LOL!

    just like obamacare!

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    Who pays the medical bills of people who go to the hospital and can't afford to pay?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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