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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    wow, 24 hours after I asked , 150 posts into a "political' forum topic and still no one can explain what good this bill , that I am being asked to pay for, does for ME.
    that should be telling enough..

    the point is you dont pass something this far reaching for generations to come, our grandkids will have expected us to all agree on it, and if not ALL agree on it,
    at least all have to understood its merit..

    liberals are touting the merit of this thing on the back of "its the right thing to do" well so is ending hunger in third world countries, but you dont throw a trillion dollars at it and call it done.

    And anyone, anyone that doesnt think this thing was a. shoved through, b. done with back door shennanigans, and c. wasnt explained to those being asked to vote on it..is just dillusioned.

    this is America, you dont just pass things THIS BIG because you can, you debate and gather support.
    its too far reaching and expensive, and could not have been done at a worse time financially speaking.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I suggest you learn the definition of socialism. As noted in another thread, Socialism has a specific definition. SS, Medicare, none of that meets the definition. Acting as a collective is not equal to socialism or communism in ANY way. This failure to know what these words actually mean hindes discussion. Though I do believe for many it is just a tactic to tar a group and not that they really don't know what the words mean.
    socialism, in THIS context strictly refers to redistribution of wealth
    it applies

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    wow, 24 hours after I asked , 150 posts into a "political' forum topic and still no one can explain what good this bill , that I am being asked to pay for, does for ME.
    that should be telling enough..

    the point is you dont pass something this far reaching for generations to come, our grandkids will have expected us to all agree on it, and if not ALL agree on it,
    at least all have to understood its merit..

    liberals are touting the merit of this thing on the back of "its the right thing to do" well so is ending hunger in third world countries, but you dont throw a trillion dollars at it and call it done.

    And anyone, anyone that doesnt think this thing was a. shoved through, b. done with back door shennanigans, and c. wasnt explained to those being asked to vote on it..is just dillusioned.

    this is America, you dont just pass things THIS BIG because you can, you debate and gather support.
    its too far reaching and expensive, and could not have been done at a worse time financially speaking.
    It's a step in the right direction. Where it falls down is that it doesn't go far enough. Any serious reform would go closer to a single payer system.

    And you might have a complaint, and I'd even be with you, had not republicans made clear they did not want to be part of the solution. They stated clearly all they want to do was derail and oppose Obama. You can't be taken seriously with that type of attitude.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can't be taken seriously
    LOL!

    says the guy who links to sydney, australia to paint up teacher retention difficulties in new york

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    says the guy who links to sydney, australia to paint up teacher retention difficulties in new york
    I must scare you. Do try to understand this is just a discussion forum. I won't hurt you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    this is America, you dont just pass things THIS BIG because you can, you debate and gather support.
    its too far reaching and expensive,
    I'm sure you were saying the same thing when Bush got his tax cuts without 60 votes and passed it with lopphole processes and I'm sure that makes you angry since it costs about 2 and a half times what the healthcare bill cost?

    http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushtaxcutsvshealthcare.pdf

    Am I right or am i right? lol. "You need to garner support! Unless its tax cuts!"

    Man, I need some gatorade. Showing how big of a hypocrite you are and just how wrong you are is building up a thirst that water can't quench...
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I must scare you
    yup, LOL! til it hurts

    meanwhile, on substance, obamacare is a pig

    three quarters of a T in new taxes:

    Director's Blog Blog Archive Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs increase:

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients:

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isn’t Easy - NYTimes.com

    the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    another quarter T double counted:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    our already broken backed states are burdened with a quarter T in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees:

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    the university of virginia found that having NO INSURANCE left patients better off than those with medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    live it, libs, love it

    and remember november

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    today: HHS approves 200 more new healthcare reform waivers - The Hill's Healthwatch

    surprised?

    why do so many want out?

    why does kathleen keep letting em go?

    who's next?

    why did anthony weiner of all people, the #1 health care warrior in the house, when he expressed his interest in a waiver of his own, why did anthony weiner point out that "a lot of people who got waivers were people who are our friends?"

    Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York - Kate Nocera - POLITICO.com

    obamacare's a pig

    and it's all yours

    seeya at the polls, progressives

    remember november

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yup, LOL! til it hurts

    meanwhile, on substance, obamacare is a pig

    three quarters of a T in new taxes:

    Director's Blog Blog Archive Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs increase:

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients:

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isn’t Easy - NYTimes.com

    the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    another quarter T double counted:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    our already broken backed states are burdened with a quarter T in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees:

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    the university of virginia found that having NO INSURANCE left patients better off than those with medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    live it, libs, love it

    and remember november
    Like I said, I must really scare you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    yup

    it was the KNIFES

    LOL!

    boo!

    meanwhile, the trustees testify medicare is BROKE five years faster

    US: Medicare to hit financial woes sooner - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

    obamacare delivered republicans the most house seats since 1938, most state reps and assemblies in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

    scary!

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