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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'd love to see you say things like that on the street to real people that can knock you on your ass. I doubt you'd be so bold.
    What else could I say to someone that says this kind of crap?
    Shades
    The bill wasnt explained, the final draft wasnt given time to even read much less understand, and never would have or did make it out of the senate..
    So the dems pulled a procedural, technical, and yes criminal in this case fast one,
    Shades ( a few posts down)
    on topic, I dont think I said they did anything illegal, it was unethical and back door, and for something this large it shouldnt be done that way. not in the America i grew up in.. you debate, and if a bill this far reaching runs into as much opposition and angst in the public opinion, you dont pass it.. dictators do that kind of thing.
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    You want me to hold his hand and walk him through this when my ten year old cousin could easily understand what was wrong with what he said in all of 20 seconds? Want me to tell him good try? He put in some really good effort on that one? lol.
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    the mere conceit of an fdr or lbj even contemplating passing their major reforms via senate reconciliation, mere days after announcing to the american people they were prepared to deem them, is literally unimaginable

    vote obama, 2012!

    his cramming of obamacare was NOT illegal!

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Completely"? I don't think I said that. But to say that things like Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are in no way, Using your words, Socialistic is laughable...In fact let's take Social Security as an example, How is that funded? Not by what has been with held over the years from the person that is collecting it, but rather from 3 or more current working people contributing to this one person collecting the benefit. That is by defination redistribution of wealth.

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    I suggest you learn the definition of socialism. As noted in another thread, Socialism has a specific definition. SS, Medicare, none of that meets the definition. Acting as a collective is not equal to socialism or communism in ANY way. This failure to know what these words actually mean hindes discussion. Though I do believe for many it is just a tactic to tar a group and not that they really don't know what the words mean.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The demo's were locking out repubs from talks on the structure of the law when it was in bill stage. The only "ideas" they were taking from repubs, or claiming that they got from them were ones that they could hand around their necks later.

    This law is a disaster. Your hero at work.


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    Again, this happened after republicans made clear their role was to obstruct, do oppose, and not to help. This is the point.

    As for a diaster? For many it simply doesn't go far enough. But for reform to ever happen, we must move forward and not allow the obstructors to to constantly keep us from moving at all.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Acting as a collective is not equal to socialism or communism in ANY way.
    no, it's just "communial" in nature

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For many it simply doesn't go far enough
    absolutely

    that's why republicans were sent to washington on tsunami tuesday in record numbers

    because so many believe obamacare doesn't go far enough

    But for reform to ever happen, we must move forward
    too late, the party shot its wad

    it's called obamacare

    where ya been?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I suggest you learn the definition of socialism. As noted in another thread, Socialism has a specific definition. SS, Medicare, none of that meets the definition. Acting as a collective is not equal to socialism or communism in ANY way. This failure to know what these words actually mean hindes discussion. Though I do believe for many it is just a tactic to tar a group and not that they really don't know what the words mean.

    SS, Medi-care/aid, Welfare all meet this definition.

    As an economic system, socialism is the direct allocation of capital goods (means of production) so that production is carried out for use, directly meeting economic demand, and accounting is based on some physical magnitude such as physical quantities or a direct measure of labour time.[5][6] Goods and services for consumption are distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on the principle of individual merit/individual contribution.[7]

    Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    BTW, So does Obamacare.

    Again, this happened after republicans made clear their role was to obstruct, do oppose, and not to help. This is the point.
    Oh please....Quit crying...You all had a majority of both houses, and the Presidency, Obstruct what? You'd better look into demo's that stood in its way first.

    As for a diaster? For many it simply doesn't go far enough. But for reform to ever happen, we must move forward and not allow the obstructors to to constantly keep us from moving at all.
    Move to Cuba then. We are not that kind of State.


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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    SS, Medi-care/aid, Welfare all meet this definition.



    BTW, So does Obamacare.
    No, it doesn't. None of them do. No means of production are controlled by the state in any case.

    Oh please....Quit crying...You all had a majority of both houses, and the Presidency, Obstruct what? You'd better look into demo's that stood in its way first.
    This is funny coming from the media whinning group. But, being factual on the time line is not whinning or crying.

    Move to Cuba then. We are not that kind of State.


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    Of course we are. Not Cuba, not socialist, not communist, but the type of state, country that has regulations, and SS, and Medicare, and Medicaid, and can have real reform if we want.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    bottom line---if payment is based on ability and bennies are allocated by need, that's about as communial in nature as you can get

    in america, that is

    why run away from it?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    can have real reform if we want
    we don't

    at least not a reform that's communial

    didn't you see the last election?

    don't they have tv's in detroit?

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