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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh... really? And how is he wrong, and what socialist countries have grand success stories. Why do Kanuckistani's come over the border, and why is their system in shambles after less than a half century?

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    He's wrong if he suggests we have a system that is in anyway communist like.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any logical and informed person
    you mean the kind of person who links to sydney, australia, to make some point about teacher retention in new york?

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He's wrong if he suggests we have a system that is in anyway communist like.
    Now wait a minute, I remember during the never ending debate concerning health care, you were one of the people thanking others, and possibly indeed yourself making the point that we already had socialist type entitlement programs. So when you say "in any way" are you forgetting that?


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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now wait a minute, I remember during the never ending debate concerning health care, you were one of the people thanking others, and possibly indeed yourself making the point that we already had socialist type entitlement programs. So when you say "in any way" are you forgetting that?


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    I think you remember wrong. We have programs that are communial in nature, but they do not equal socialism or communism. We have regulations in business, but are not socalistic or communistic. People who believe as Zimmer do make a leap, suggesting that any type of geroup effort makes something completely socalistic. This would be contrary to the definition of socialism and communicsm.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you remember wrong. We have programs that are communial in nature, but they do not equal socialism or communism. We have regulations in business, but are not socalistic or communistic. People who believe as Zimmer do make a leap, suggesting that any type of geroup effort makes something completely socalistic. This would be contrary to the definition of socialism and communicsm.

    "Completely"? I don't think I said that. But to say that things like Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are in no way, Using your words, Socialistic is laughable...In fact let's take Social Security as an example, How is that funded? Not by what has been with held over the years from the person that is collecting it, but rather from 3 or more current working people contributing to this one person collecting the benefit. That is by defination redistribution of wealth.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He's wrong if he suggest we have a system that is in any way communist like
    We have programs that are communial in nature
    sure, it's in no way communist like

    it's just "communial" in nature

    LOL!

    think much?

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Senate passes health-care bill, now must reconcile it with House


    I'm the one re-writing history? They voted on it and got 60, then later on there was a reconciliation bill passed by both the house and senate that only needed 50 votes that just changed a few minor things. It wasn't illegal by any means. At the end of the day, that actual healthcare bill was passed with 60 votes.

    The final bill was nothing but rehashing of the same crap that has been gone through by everyone and their moms for a year before the bill passed. They didn't slide in any mysteries.

    Like I said, you can criticize the bill but shoved down our throats it was not. You'd know that if you didn't get so caught up in the talking points that are fed to you.
    quit acting silly,
    you CANT REWRITE HISTORY..

    nor can you make the vote to pass Obamacare anything other than what it was, a BYPASS of normal procedure especially a procedure on a trillion dollar spending fiasco that no one, NO ONE to this day fully understands, nor that the American people were ready to embrace.. If its ok with you we would like our elected officials to understand and be able to explain to us what they are about to spend our money on..

    liberal mindset is very annoying... stop it


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    House could bypass vote on US healthcare bill
    By Anna Fifield in Washington

    Published: March 16 2010 20:26 | Last updated: March 16 2010 22:35

    Struggling to shore up support for US healthcare reform, Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives are considering using a complicated manoeuvre to pass a bill without having to put it to a vote.

    The tactic, which would “deem” the bill passed once a series of fixes to it had also been passed, would prove highly contentious given the wide scope of healthcare reform. Republicans on Tuesday condemned even the thought of using it.

    EDITOR’S CHOICE
    In depth: US healthcare reform - Feb-21Republicans set to fight healthcare reform - Nov-10Top US court rejects healthcare challenge - Nov-08Obama accused of missing healthcare opportunity - Oct-22Editorial: Healthcare reform - Oct-18Republicans seek to frustrate health reform - Oct-17“Anyone who endorses this strategy will be forever remembered for trying to claim they didn’t vote for something they did,” said Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate. “It will go down as one of the most extraordinary legislative sleights of hand in history.”Democratic leaders in the House have pledged to hold a vote on healthcare reform before President Barack Obama leaves for Indonesia and Australia on Sunday.

    But House majority leaders are still short of the 216 votes needed to pass the Senate bill, pushing them to now consider a strategy under which Democrats would incorporate the Senate bill into a rule governing the terms of the healthcare debate on the House floor.

    Once that rule was passed, House leaders could “deem” the Senate bill to have passed without ever putting the reform bill itself to a direct vote.

    This would enable Democratic lawmakers who are still reluctant to vote for the healthcare bill or are facing opposition in their home districts to say that they never voted for the actual bill, while still achieving one of Mr Obama’s core domestic aims.

    “We have several options available to us,” Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House, said on Tuesday, adding that she had still not made a decision on whether to move ahead with the “deem and pass” strategy.


    Ms Pelosi acknowledged that, despite intensive meetings with wavering lawmakers, she was still having trouble attracting support. “There are a lot of members who don’t want to vote for it,” she told reporters.

    Because Democrats have lost their super-majority in the Senate and have no prospect of any Republican support, the only option for enacting healthcare legislation is to have the House pass the Senate bill, and then for both chambers to pass a package of fixes that would bridge some of the differences between them.


    This is crunch week for Democrats as they make a final push to pass healthcare reform, after a year of debate that has culminated in a series of surprising procedural manouevres given that Democrats enjoy a large majority in the House, and had a super-majority in the Senate until January.

    As the arm-twisting continues, Mr Obama has this week been holding one-on-one sessions with wavering Democrats in the Oval office, trying to convince them to vote for his signature reform.
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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    quit acting silly,
    you CANT REWRITE HISTORY..

    nor can you make the vote to pass Obamacare anything other than what it was, a BYPASS of normal procedure especially a procedure on a trillion dollar spending fiasco that no one, NO ONE to this day fully understands, nor that the American people were ready to embrace.. If its ok with you we would like our elected officials to understand and be able to explain to us what they are about to spend our money on..

    liberal mindset is very annoying... stop it

    FT.com / US / Politics & Foreign policy - House could bypass vote on US healthcare bill
    Your link is describing something that the House could have done, not what they did. Read it for yourself.
    FT.com / US / Politics & Foreign policy - House could bypass vote on US healthcare bill
    Could... Could... Could... in case you didn't see it the first time. Here's numerous links showing you that it was passed with 60 votes in the senate...

    Blance Lambert Lincoln Votes Yes On Healthcare
    Senate Dems reach 60 votes for health care bill - USATODAY.com
    Reid Gets 60 Votes for Health Care Debate - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    Democrats Get Their 60 Votes for Health Care. Now What? - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic

    Are you still denying that they passed it with 60 votes? Why are you linking to stuff that was written BEFORE the bill was even passed? What the hell bypassed normal procedure? You seem to be upset at something that you don't understand at all and really don't want to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    by the time it went back to the senate for the final vote after it came back from the house with revisions, Scott Brown was in town..
    so they bypassed the senate vote and passed the house bill..

    a procedural slight of hand

    just stop it

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    Struggling to shore up support for US healthcare reform, Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives are considering using a complicated manoeuvre to pass a bill without having to put it to a vote.

    The tactic, which would “deem” the bill passed once a series of fixes to it had also been passed, would prove highly contentious given the wide scope of healthcare reform. Republicans on Tuesday condemned even the thought of using it.
    They never used this tactic. People talked about it but it was never used. Seriously. Were you under a rock for that whole debate?

    Self-executing rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In March 2010, the procedure was one option considered, and then rejected, by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D) and congressional Democrats to pass the Reconciliation Act of 2010 (H.R. 4872) and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590), as part of President Obama's health care reform initiative.[3][7][8]
    Do you not understand that this article of yours was written before the bill was even passed? It was never used. Get over it. You're wrong, and obviously and demonstrably so.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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