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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    when fdr and lbj passed their major reforms (soc sec, civil rights and medicare) they understood american politics well enough to appreciate they required significant congressional coverage from the opposition in order to realize such significant social change

    indeed, more republicans proportionally voted for civil rights than did dems

    barack the slasher aint no fdr, evidently

    not even a lbj

    indeed, when it comes to american politics, the slasher is so outta touch it's as if he's alien

    obamacare, baby---it's all yours

    seeya at the polls

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Shoved it through? The healthcare bill went through all the normal measures and was in the spotlight for a year. There aren't any secrets in it. They passed it with the 60 votes they needed to break the filibuster. You can criticize the bill of course but if you want to say it was shoved down our throats through illegal processes then you're just wrong.
    what channel are you watching?
    are you serious..

    they couldnt pass it through, it was 59-41...Was it not clear what Scott Browns signifigance was.. I thought I was clear, but didnt need me to tell you, its a fact.
    pay attention.. ill go over it real slow for you.

    The bill wasnt explained, the final draft wasnt given time to even read much less understand, and never would have or did make it out of the senate..
    So the dems pulled a procedural, technical, and yes criminal in this case fast one, being the scale of the measure, to revert back to the house bill, which had already passed, but wouldnt have if the voters, the PEOPLE could have gotten to it in time, as they did in the mid terms and put the GOP back in control..

    you cant rewrite history, but I opine this clown of a President you so revere has you thinking you may.

    And as I said earlier, its not you and your ilk we need to convince, you will vote Nobama even if he killed someone, and its not me and mine YOU need to convince because we wont vote for him even if he cures cancer.

    but the middle, the independants, are a very smart lot.. they follow all of this I speak of very closely....and he needs them

    we shall see

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I stand by what and how Friedman was quoted.

    If you read anything from what Friedman had written about the US system before ObamaKare he called it a Communist system, and the root cause was government intrusion. As usual. But of course he would reverse his sentiments today because ObamaKare corrects all these negative intrusions... ROTFLOL.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    what channel are you watching?
    are you serious..

    they couldnt pass it through, it was 59-41...
    Senate passes health-care bill, now must reconcile it with House
    Vice President Biden presided over the 60 to 39 party-line vote, described as a historic milestone by senators on both sides of the aisle.
    I'm the one re-writing history? They voted on it and got 60, then later on there was a reconciliation bill passed by both the house and senate that only needed 50 votes that just changed a few minor things. It wasn't illegal by any means. At the end of the day, that actual healthcare bill was passed with 60 votes.

    The final bill was nothing but rehashing of the same crap that has been gone through by everyone and their moms for a year before the bill passed. They didn't slide in any mysteries.

    Like I said, you can criticize the bill but shoved down our throats it was not. You'd know that if you didn't get so caught up in the talking points that are fed to you.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And he would be factually wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
    says who?

    whitehouse.gov?

    jon stewart?

    or sydney?

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    says who?
    Any logical and informed person who knows exactly what those words mean.

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    you can criticize the bill
    you sure can

    three quarters of a T in new taxes:

    Director's Blog Ľ Blog Archive Ľ Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs increase:

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients:

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isnít Easy - NYTimes.com

    the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    another quarter T double counted:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    our already broken backed states are burdened with a quarter T in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees:

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    the university of virginia found that having NO INSURANCE left patients better off than those with medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    live it, libs, love it

    it's all yours

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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any logical and informed person who knows exactly what those words mean.
    So now Milton Freedman is unreasonable because you disagree with him? LOL! Good GAWD Joe, Just stop, your looking foolish now.


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    Re: Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And he would be factually wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
    Oh... really? And how is he wrong, and what socialist countries have grand success stories. Why do Kanuckistani's come over the border, and why is their system in shambles after less than a half century?

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