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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Wow! Do you really want this sentence in one of your posts? Do you really think that a whole race of people are not capable of thought? I think you should think about what you are saying here.

    The more normal response to a propensity of a particular race or class of people to vote a certain way would be to think that a particular party or candidate was more closely aligned to the issues of that community, not that the entire class of people were intellectually inferior.
    If it were true that the party they're aligned with was actually benefiting them I would understand it....but the status quo isn't helping, and since that party isn't touching entitlements the status quo will remain. At one point the party might have helped them, but it isn't helping them now.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Every article I find states that blacks largely don't vote republican because they feel republicans don't want to "help them". While it would be logical to assume that our dislike for entitlements is the reason for this impression, it is instead assumed that we "hate the black man" and want to keep him down...and our dislike of entitlements only exists because it they are largely used by black families.
    I agree, we should not put race before the real issue and differences in opinion about which type of government policy works best for society. However, that only reaffirms my point that we should not assume racism or hatred of an economic class when other, more logical factors come into play.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Can I get a "for instance"? And if it's the instance I think it's going to be - no, I'll wait for confirmation.
    96 percent of blacks voted for Obama. Al Gore got 95 percent of the black vote; John Kerry got 93 percent.

    Never should a group of people vote that overwhelmingly one direction.

    No other demographic votes that heavily one direction, not even close. If the black community is so staunchly of one mind, why does it have so many problems? Obviously, selling out in total to the Democratic Party isn't working so well, but the dependence upon government that Dems have created in their minds keeps them from thinking about what they're voting for.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post

    I hear ya, I found this:


    What Gingrich has going for him is that presidential elections are about something beyond gauzy biographical ads and rehearsed debate one-liners. “We’re in the personality phase of the campaign,” says Republican pollster David Winston, who worked for Gingrich when he was House speaker. “But eventually it’s going to move from personality to policy. GOP voters are going to ask, ‘What are your solutions to fix the nation’s problems?’ And that is the moment that plays to Newt’s greatest strength.”

    Almost nine months before the scheduled date for the Iowa caucuses, it is difficult to predict what issues will frame the GOP conversation. Hint: Real issues involve more than predictably denouncing ObamaCare and demagoging the deficit. Not only can the external political environment change in an instant (yes, this is the obligatory Osama bin Laden reference), but odd issues can galvanize primary voters. At this point in 1995, no one imagined that the 1996 GOP campaign dialogue would be dominated by Steve Forbes’s advocacy of the flat tax.

    Running for president involves more than running your resume up a flagpole and seeing who salutes. That future-oriented part of the conversation is what baffled candidates like Rudy Giuliani and Wesley Clark in 2004 for the Democrats. But from the days that he was over-enthusiastically touting what-comes-next thinkers like Alvin Toffler, Newt Gingrich has always been about the future. The former House speaker’s ideas may not always parse and sometimes have an amnesiac’s lack of consistency, but more than any Republican running (especially cautious candidates like Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty) Gingrich is likely to ride the intellectual wave of the primaries.


    Why Newt Gingrich Could Win The Republican Nomination For President | The New Republic
    Just another take, and although I don't think that Newt can be "the Man" in this election, I do think that anyone that is nominated and doesn't consider him to be the Veep is crazy.

    But then again, way too early to actually call anything as some in here are trying to do. I suspect that as the economy continues to be lack luster, and gas prices continue to rise, that demo's will increasingly get meaner, and nastier in thier attacks.


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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But then again, way too early to actually call anything as some in here are trying to do.
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    We are almost halfway thru 2011. 2012 is next door. Believe it or not the campaign season is almost here . I think of any Republicans are truly serious that this would be the time to make it known. Time is moving fast.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    96 percent of blacks voted for Obama. Al Gore got 95 percent of the black vote; John Kerry got 93 percent.

    Never should a group of people vote that overwhelmingly one direction.

    No other demographic votes that heavily one direction, not even close. If the black community is so staunchly of one mind, why does it have so many problems? Obviously, selling out in total to the Democratic Party is working so well, but the dependence upon government that Dems have created in their minds keeps them from thinking about what they're voting for.
    Intriguing thought.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    We aren't as racist as you think we are. We made the mistake of taking a stance in opposition to entitlements and allowing liberals and spindoctors to decide that we must hate black people, since the majority of those receiving entitlements are black. The truth of the matter is, we want people to take care of themselves instead of depending on the government. If we were racist we'd want them to sit there, collecting a paltry sum, learning nothing, advancing nothing, and stagnating as the poorest, least educated members of society. We don't want that. We're not the ones promoting a dependence on government which has yet to produce an upward mobility for those beholden to it.

    Are there some back-woods idiots who vote republican stomping around with rebel flags slewing the n-word? Yeah. Are they the majority of our party? Absolutely not. They're a fringe group of idiots we'd prefer not to have tied to us, but we can't control how they vote.
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    I agree 100% that it is not the majority of the party...but the rebel flag waving crowd in the South is still enough of a substantial chunk that the GOP has to rely on in order to carry the Southern States. That alone will prevent the GOP from ever nominating a black man or woman. Bottom line....the GOP CANNOT win the Presidency without the south.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    We are almost halfway thru 2011. 2012 is next door. Believe it or not the campaign season is almost here . I think of any Republicans are truly serious that this would be the time to make it known. Time is moving fast.
    They either are, or have made their intent known. This is going to be a volitile season. public opinion will shift on a dime depending on what is happening. For instance, OBL gave a much needed bump to Obama right now, that will disappear if he continues to hammer the middle class, and poor with his non chalant attitude about how his policies are attacking the take home pay of these people. The GOP will be highlighting this at every turn if they want to win. That and putting up a no nonsense candidate like Cain would level the playing field and make for a campaign season of ideas over rhetoric, which I would love to see. Demo's lose on that field.

    No longer can candidate Obama be allowed to be that blank slate in order to lull his supporters to sleep.


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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by megrimlock View Post
    Obama admitted to the mistake , he meant States and territories. Palin on the other hand likened herself to Shakespeare.
    Territories?

    Was that it?

    I got another good one: How about the time he claimed his uncle liberated Auschwitz? Or, when he flat out lied about that bridge collapse in Minnesota?

    You may want to avoid tallying Obama's idiotic statements.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I think, we are in pretty good shape with that duo
    We being the Democrats!

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