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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unlikely....there are a few Southern States that are coming around...but the South is way too biblical based and votes mainly on the right-wing social agenda. The only way that the South might support a Democrat is if it is a conservative Democrat and the GOP were to nominate a black man or woman....and that is not going to happen anytime soon.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Good luck believing in that.....there is zero chance that the GOP will ever nominate a black man or woman....at least for the next 20-30 years. Bottom line....the GOP cannot win the Presidency without the South. If they lose the South they lose 80% of their electoral votes...and the South being what it is...the GOP will never go that route.
    We aren't as racist as you think we are. We made the mistake of taking a stance in opposition to entitlements and allowing liberals and spindoctors to decide that we must hate black people, since the majority of those receiving entitlements are black. The truth of the matter is, we want people to take care of themselves instead of depending on the government. If we were racist we'd want them to sit there, collecting a paltry sum, learning nothing, advancing nothing, and stagnating as the poorest, least educated members of society. We don't want that. We're not the ones promoting a dependence on government which has yet to produce an upward mobility for those beholden to it.

    Are there some back-woods idiots who vote republican stomping around with rebel flags slewing the n-word? Yeah. Are they the majority of our party? Absolutely not. They're a fringe group of idiots we'd prefer not to have tied to us, but we can't control how they vote.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Good luck believing in that.....there is zero chance that the GOP will ever nominate a black man or woman....at least for the next 20-30 years. Bottom line....the GOP cannot win the Presidency without the South. If they lose the South they lose 80% of their electoral votes...and the South being what it is...the GOP will never go that route.
    Yours is the party that continually tells minorities how inferior they are by stilting the system to their advantage instead of treating them like equals. You give minorities every excuse in the world NOT to be equal with your endless welfare programs, Affirmative Action, reduced academic standards, and forced equality measures.

    If you'd just treat minorities as fully capable human beings - like conservatives do - a lot of the ills of their community would begin to subside. Instead, you propogate the dependency and excuse-making for your political gain.

    It's so obvious. But without it, your party would cease to exist, so there you go.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If we were racist we'd want them to sit there, collecting a paltry sum, learning nothing, advancing nothing, and stagnating as the poorest, least educated members of society.
    This is a very odd statement (and one I believe requires acrobatic type leaps of logic to even try and make sense of). If you hate someone, you give them stuff?

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is a very odd statement (and one I believe requires acrobatic type leaps of logic to even try and make sense of). If you hate someone, you give them stuff?
    No, if you want to keep someone down, you make them dependent on you with welfare program after welfare program, so they fear not voting for you.

    When 95+ percent of a race votes one way, it shows an inability to think for themselves. You've got them rat-holed where you want them.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is a very odd statement (and one I believe requires acrobatic type leaps of logic to even try and make sense of). If you hate someone, you give them stuff?
    Perhaps I should have been more clear. Statistically speaking, welfare has neither encouraged recipients to seek skills or better employment, nor have children of welfare-receiving homes performed better in school. Children of welfare recipients are less likely to finish high school or go to college and are more likely to end up in jail. Keeping a program in place that does nothing to promote the advancement of it's largest recipient (the black community) is, to me, far more racist or discriminatory then telling them "here are your options, take this grant, get a skill, get a job....or get nothing".

    Again, we want the "downtrodden" to take care of themselves. I personally have no problem helping them, but entitlements don't help. They're proven to do little more than float the recipient slightly above the poverty level. All entitlements do is hold them down. Just because you're "giving them something" doesn't mean it's something that truly benefits them.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    When 95+ percent of a race votes one way,
    Can I get a "for instance"? And if it's the instance I think it's going to be - no, I'll wait for confirmation.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Perhaps I should have been more clear. Statistically speaking, welfare has neither encouraged recipients to seek skills or better employment, nor have children of welfare-receiving homes performed better in school. Children of welfare recipients are less likely to finish high school or go to college and are more likely to end up in jail. Keeping a program in place that does nothing to promote the advancement of it's largest recipient (the black community) is, to me, far more racist or discriminatory then telling them "here are your options, take this grant, get a skill, get a job....or get nothing".

    Again, we want the "downtrodden" to take care of themselves. I personally have no problem helping them, but entitlements don't help. They're proven to do little more than float the recipient slightly above the poverty level. All entitlements do is hold them down. Just because you're "giving them something" doesn't mean it's something that truly benefits them.
    Well, you know my thoughts on welfare and how it should be reformed. But it is still quite a leap of logic to attribute bad policy to racism or hatred. Thats where I am having trouble making that leap.

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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ......When 95+ percent of a race votes one way, it shows an inability to think for themselves......
    Wow! Do you really want this sentence in one of your posts? Do you really think that a whole race of people are not capable of thought? I think you should think about what you are saying here.

    The more normal response to a propensity of a particular race or class of people to vote a certain way would be to think that a particular party or candidate was more closely aligned to the issues of that community, not that the entire class of people were intellectually inferior.

    The argument that you may be trying to make is that the Dems bought the black vote with welfare. That is a better argument, but still not a good one. Of course, that would mean the black community does indeed think for themselves.
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    Re: Newt Gingrich to launch presidential bid Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, you know my thoughts on welfare and how it should be reformed. But it is still quite a leap of logic to attribute bad policy to racism or hatred. Thats where I am having trouble making that leap.
    Every article I find states that blacks largely don't vote republican because they feel republicans don't want to "help them". While it would be logical to assume that our dislike for entitlements is the reason for this impression, it is instead assumed that we "hate the black man" and want to keep him down...and our dislike of entitlements only exists because it they are largely used by black families.
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