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Pakistan PM Warns of 'Full Force' Response to Future U.S. Raids

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How are we to take this? Is this a threat that they will use everything they have and pay us back by violating our sovereignty, or does it mean they will use their Nuclear power on us?

If you were in a position to respond what would you do?

Personally I would not make any public statement at all.

It should be noted that there has been a Predator strike since Osama was taken out, and they did nothing about it. The best response is sometimes no response.


Pakistan PM Warns of 'Full Force' Response to Future U.S. Raids - FoxNews.com
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, like other officials in Islamabad, said the killing of bin Laden in northern Pakistan was a positive step. But, reflecting concerns that the unilateral strike violated his country's sovereignty, Gilani sent a clear message to the United States. He warned any "overt or covert" attack would be met with a "matching response" in the future.

"Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force. No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland," Gilani said
 
OMG! Bring that **** on. I would love to see the Paks, "retaliate".
 
The best they could hope for would be a nuclear strike on our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. They do not have the capability to deliver a nuclear weapon to the US homeland. They would NOT go nuclear. They don't have a death wish.
 
How are we to take this? Is this a threat that they will use everything they have and pay us back by violating our sovereignty, or does it mean they will use their Nuclear power on us?

If you were in a position to respond what would you do?

Personally I would not make any public statement at all.

It should be noted that there has been a Predator strike since Osama was taken out, and they did nothing about it. The best response is sometimes no response.

They're ****ing idiots.

They've hired lobbyists in Washington to make sure we don't take away the $2 billion foreign aid scheduled for them in Obama's 2012 budget. And they threaten us??? OMFG. Why would we give this country a freakin' penny??
 
I don't think the statement was so much directed at the US. Pak does't want anyone (especially India) getting any ideas about what they will tolerate. It doesn't read "The US shouldn't underestimate...".

Or a pre-emptive strike is in order. Not sure.
 
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I just learned there is a 10 year old agreement Pakistan made with President Bush that if Osama or another high ranking Al Queda leader was hiding there the US had permission to go in and get them.

The agreement went on to say that the Pakistan Gov. would Raise hell about it but it would all be for show for the people of Pakistan.

So it seems that the best thing to say about the phony threat is nothing.
 
Posturing for the people.
 
How are we to take this? Is this a threat that they will use everything they have and pay us back by violating our sovereignty, or does it mean they will use their Nuclear power on us?

If you were in a position to respond what would you do?

Personally I would not make any public statement at all.

I would do the following:

1. Refrain from public comments.

2. Privately convey extreme displeasure to the Pakistani government and make it clear that the U.S. would continue to aggressively protect its regional interests. In other words, drone strikes would continue when necessary. In addition, while aid to Pakistan would continue for the near-term, it would increasingly be tied to Pakistan's performance/cooperation, including efforts to safeguard its nuclear arsenal.

3. Charge the U.S. military with addressing the inherently flawed, single supply route into Afghanistan situation, so that options would be available should Pakistan ultimately bar use of its territory. Although it might be more expensive, an air bridge of the kind that worked with Berlin is one alternative (supply planes would overfly Pakistani territory much as they did East German territory) with Pakistan understanding that its interference would be met by the severest consequences. Other land-based routes also exist, but some degree of cooperation and coordination with Russia could be required given that those areas are in Russia's "Near Abroad." Clearly, the alternatives are more expensive and logistically less desirable, but alternatives exist nonetheless. The trade-offs need to be considered and, if necessary, an alternative would have to be implemented should Pakistan make the current approach difficult to impossible to continue.

Contingency plans should always exist even if they never have to be pursued. Recent U.S. planning has witnessed too little contingency planning, even for obvious situations i.e., the outbreak of insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan (very predictable given the ethnic/tribal divisions in those countries, not to mention their past history of ethnic/tribal animosities).

Needless to say, questions persist as to whether the Karzai regime is capable of building a relatively stable Afghanistan. If Al Qaeda has been sufficiently neutralized, the U.S. should re-assess the degree of its involvement in Afghanistan. Perhaps alternatives short of propping up the Karzai regime might be more feasible. That strategic review could reduce the magnitude of resupply needed for Afghanistan and mitigate one source of possible friction with Pakistan.
 
How are we to take this?

To put it bluntly...in the ass.

As long as the LOC's run through Pakistan.

Get Iran, or a few Central Asian Nations in the mix to allow transit of military cargo for the war in A-stan? Nope, not gonna happen. So, we have to go through Paki. In other words...the Pakis have, the US by the ass
 
Hey, Pakistan, this is what we have to do with our ENEMIES.

Stop posturing as our "ally" when clearly you are not. Harboring bin Laden for years has exposed you for the fraud you are.

If we cut off the $3 billion per year we give you, you'll be Afghanistan overnights.

So shut up or launch. You'll be pavement before dark.
 
How are we to take this? Is this a threat that they will use everything they have and pay us back by violating our sovereignty, or does it mean they will use their Nuclear power on us?

If you were in a position to respond what would you do?

Personally I would not make any public statement at all.

It should be noted that there has been a Predator strike since Osama was taken out, and they did nothing about it. The best response is sometimes no response.
I think the Osama strike was a special situation that is unlikely to happen again. The United States certainly shouldn't make a habit of sending operatives into cooperative foreign countries (or at least those that are arguably cooperative) without asking permission first. The benefits of such strikes are outweighed by the political costs, absent unique circumstances like those that existed here.

As for Gilani's statement, I suspect it is wholly for show. Carrying through with such a threat would be beyond idiotic. However, he needs to be seen as a credible leader by the Pakistani people.

I have a suspicion that Gilani's private conversations with the Obama administration lately have been very different in tone... I agree that the best response here is no response. Let him do what he needs to, and let him know in private he is treading on thin ice.
 
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They're ****ing idiots.

They've hired lobbyists in Washington to make sure we don't take away the $2 billion foreign aid scheduled for them in Obama's 2012 budget. And they threaten us??? OMFG. Why would we give this country a freakin' penny??

I feel we shoud cut off their funding. My stepdad told me he worries if we do that they may try to nuke Israel:shock::confused::confused:
 
Posturing for the people.

I think in this country we call it using sound bites for the constituents. They know that would be suicidal.

We could pretty much bank on India letting us use their land for military bases to fight Pakistan.
 
I feel we shoud cut off their funding. My stepdad told me he worries if we do that they may try to nuke Israel:shock::confused::confused:

I think your stepdad should probably stop assuming people are suicidal.
 
I feel we shoud cut off their funding. My stepdad told me he worries if we do that they may try to nuke Israel:shock::confused::confused:

Your stepdad is livin' in fantasyland. Get a new stepdad

Seriously tho, I think eventually, Pakistan will devolve to a Taliban dominated government with nuclear weapons. I actually see the possibility of a Pakistani nuke as greater than an Iranian.
 
I think we should do nothing, just let it slide. There's no reason to get all worked up over a comment that's obviously intended to placate some of the more radical elements in his country. Pakistan is walking a tightrope right now and it would be reckless of us to tip them off balance.
 
In politics, words are meaningless. Only actions reflect genuine motives.

Words: The government of Pakistan did not invite bin Laden, and is glad he's dead.

Actions: bin Laden lived in Pakistan for at least 5 years.

Words: The US government will not tolerate complicity w/terrorists and cut aid to Pakistan unless it reforms.

Actions: Key Congressional have no intention of cutting aid to Pakistan.

Boehner: 'Our Aid Should Continue to Pakistan' | CNSnews.com

CONCLUSION: the US and Pakistani governments are both collaborating w/al Qaeda.
 
How are we to take this? Is this a threat that they will use everything they have and pay us back by violating our sovereignty, or does it mean they will use their Nuclear power on us?

If you were in a position to respond what would you do?

Personally I would not make any public statement at all.

It should be noted that there has been a Predator strike since Osama was taken out, and they did nothing about it. The best response is sometimes no response.


We should say "thank you for the fair warning. When we went after Osama, we didn't tell you because we know half of your government and military support him and he'd get advance warning and disappear. The next time we find that you are harboring one of America's worst enemies, while claiming to be our ally, we will assume you will fight us if we go after them. So, we'll destroy your air force and air defenses before we go in.... this will, of course, cause us a delay of 27 minutes, which is inconvenient but you can't have everything. Have a nice day...."

Hmph. Some so-called ally, anyway.
 
Seems like a simple plan, Pakistan doesn't like being pushed around and how can I blame them. The leadership in charge over their must publicly say something to the people, and I doubt we are doing any good by publicizing Pakistan's weaknesses. Unless we are looking to permanently police their countryside, I would let Pakistan say whatever they need to in order for them to maintain control.

I was under the impression Pakistan and it's airspace was not under US control and the whole Bin Laden mission was a one time deal(normally).

Make me wonder what kind of statement the US would need to make if India announced that it successfully launched a mission into the US and taken Warren Anderson into custody.

And the big hypothetical question that comes to mind: What if Pakistan had destroyed our unidentified forces somewhere inside of Pakistan before they reached their target, would we have retaliated against them with full force to complete our mission.

Hopefully the leadership in Pakistan is in close contact with our leaders so that most everything is business as usual behind closed doors.
 
I feel we shoud cut off their funding. My stepdad told me he worries if we do that they may try to nuke Israel:shock::confused::confused:

If they do that they lose, and they know it.

as for the Pakistani Government - this is an empty threat to appease their people. the problem, however, is that it seems they are willing to appease their people and enable anti-US sentiment.


YUUuuup; it's about time we started becoming Real Good Friends with India.
 
This posturing in a joke. As we speak, U.S. supply convoys are continuing to move through Pakistan with the blessing of the government. The bribes paid in military aid have gotten their money's worth.
 
We should say "thank you for the fair warning. When we went after Osama, we didn't tell you because we know half of your government and military support him and he'd get advance warning and disappear. The next time we find that you are harboring one of America's worst enemies, while claiming to be our ally, we will assume you will fight us if we go after them. So, we'll destroy your air force and air defenses before we go in.... this will, of course, cause us a delay of 27 minutes, which is inconvenient but you can't have everything. Have a nice day...."

Hmph. Some so-called ally, anyway.

BS. I suspect there's a lot more to the story than what the media and both governments have revealed.

There's simply no way US troops could've landed helicopters into the area that they did without Pakistani forces noticing. The compound was near a military academy. The sounds of the choppers would've given it away, and search lights would've picked up the SEAL team.

Only logical conclusion is that the Pakistani govt knew about the raid. And very obviously, the Pakistani govt also knew about bin Laden's whereabouts. I'm not sure what's happening.

However, it's inapproriate to say "we" when referring to the actions of the US military. America's military is under the command of the US government, and the US government is under the command of corporations, PACs, hedge funds, etc., not the American people.

It could care less what you or I think or want.
 
Your stepdad is livin' in fantasyland. Get a new stepdad

Seriously tho, I think eventually, Pakistan will devolve to a Taliban dominated government with nuclear weapons. I actually see the possibility of a Pakistani nuke as greater than an Iranian.

Gee, you think? It's why Pakistan and the U.S. can act only so bitchy toward each other: if we left and allowed the Taliban to take over, the Taliban would have the nuke, which by extension means Al Qaeda has the nuke, which means we nuke Afghanistan out of the sheer terror that a group sworn to destroy us actually possesses the means to do so.

Then things will start to get really ugly.

So rattle your sabres and puff your chests out as much as you want with regards to Pakistan. We ain't leaving til the Taliban and Al Qaeda are dead like yesterday.
 
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I feel we shoud cut off their funding. My stepdad told me he worries if we do that they may try to nuke Israel:shock::confused::confused:
I doubt very much that the Pakistani government would be that stupid. I think they like having their country as it is, not glass.
 
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