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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Kids are not fat because of chocolate milk. I drank chocolate milk as a kid (still do in fact -- many endurance athletes make chocolate milk a part of their diet) and am not fat. The kids need more veggies, but they also need more exercise... get the kids out and running around, playing basketball, or whatever... educate them to make healthy food choices... chocolate milk can very definately be part of a healthy diet...
    As a kid I couldn't stand salad, was no fan of vegetables, wasn't a big fan of spuds, enjoyed meat and eggs, cheese was putrid, cereal with milk was the standard breakfast, drank a fair bit of milk and this didn't change a whole lot until I was in my mid-late 20's (except the milk; I stopped drinking it at about 18... except for milkshakes). At 20 I had a physical and the doc said with my cholesterol level I'd live to be 200; I was anything but fat.

    I was an active kid, and eating breakfast was a slog... regardless of what it was.

    As for the Food Pyramid... here's an article about it:

    With obesity reaching epidemic proportions in the U.S., some critics say it's the government's food pyramid that should go on a diet.

    The pyramid, dating from 1991, pictorially reflects the U.S. Department of Agriculture's guidelines ...

    While the government has stood by this regimen for 11 years, some critics say it's no coincidence that the number of overweight Americans has risen 61% since the pyramid was introduced -- and almost instantaneously appeared on the sides of pasta boxes, bread wrappers and packages of other food products in the pyramid's six-to-11-servings category.

    David S. Ludwig, an obesity researcher at Children's Hospital in Boston, says the pyramid and guidelines focus too much on reducing fat. He says people are getting fat because they are eating too many refined carbohydrates, such as those in white bread, that make them feel hungrier later so they overeat.


    Among the most vocal of the pyramid's critics is Walter Willett, chairman of the Harvard School for Public Health's nutrition department. "The pyramid really ignored 40 years of data and condemned all fats and oils," he says. While the pyramid indicates that only fat calories count, Dr. Willet says, "calories are calories."

    He and other critics say the government's focus on reducing calories from fat has helped propel sales of low-fat foods that still pack a lot of calories -- ..."That probably has contributed to the explosion in obesity," ...The trial is funded by the Robert C. Atkins Foundation, which advocates the Atkins low-carbohydrate diet.

    And then there is exercise.

    The Government's Food Pyramid Correlates to Obesity, Critics Say
    A researcher at U Penn did a study about Atkins and cholesterol and thought... this will be the first and last, as he expected a huge increase. Wrong. he was blown away.

    In Denmark they set up a trial and the people went to a special store where they received and monitored everything; all Atkins related. Their blood profiles improved.

    It's simple and I notice it. If I eat a breakfast of eggs, ham, toast (not Atkins but I like toast with B & E) I am full the entire day up to late afternoon, early evening, and I don't tire. I don't follow Atkins as a religion, as I don't have a weight problem, BUT I found it interesting and applied it and his recommendations do suppress appetite. If I ever feel like I've got a couple pounds too many I knock off the beer, get outside a little more and in a 4 to 6 weeks I've lost the weight.. if not sooner.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    "Banning!" is emotive hyperbole. In an age of rising childhood obesity, schools are declining to comply with overfeeding those in their care, and contributing to the problem.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Kids are getting fat at home...and the govt cant control that. Im not against the schools removing unhealthy food but its simplistic to believe its going to make any kind of impact on obesity. The biggest contributor to child obesity is Computers and computer games and Iphones...thats kids entertainment instead of hide and go seek and johnnylumplump and football. Want to really make an impact...get rid of cell phones and and get them off the computer.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Kids are getting fat at home...and the govt cant control that. Im not against the schools removing unhealthy food but its simplistic to believe its going to make any kind of impact on obesity. The biggest contributor to child obesity is Computers and computer games and Iphones...thats kids entertainment instead of hide and go seek and johnnylumplump and football. Want to really make an impact...get rid of cell phones and and get them off the computer.
    Kids spend the majority of their awake day at school, however - and many (who have to ride an early bus) eat 2 meals there, not just one. My kids get up at 6:30 - off to school at 7:00 - 7:30 . . . gone for 8 - 8 1/2 hours - come home at 3:30 - 4:00 and bedtime is at 8:00 which is 3 1/2 or 4 hours after coming home.

    Mine, though, eat breakfast, dinner and snack at home - lunch is the only thing consumed at school.

    We're also fortunate enough to be in a school district that believes in healthy food options: they get fruit for a mid-afternoon snack at school and have options of fresh fruits/veggies (like the salad bar) at school - something that's missing from the majority of schools around the country.

    Our younger 2 have recess during the afternoon - on Friday they have PE

    Our oldest son is in Track - that's his only physical activity at school

    Our 2nd son is in 5th grade - no physical-education classes at all right now.

    I agree, however, that home plays a huge role: Have you seen a kid's football team lately? Several hours of intense physical activity every week - but a lot of those kids are overweight. So, yes, of course home-life and pre-school years play a role into further enabling unhealthy habits all around. A lot of kids come to pre-K already overweight. . . something that will never change throughout their life until they're adult and take control of their health, if they ever care.
    When my 2nd son was on a tiger-cub football team there were two kids on the team who weighed more than me and would eat a Big-Mac meal before every practice session - that's over 1,000 calories right there.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It's simple and I notice it. If I eat a breakfast of eggs, ham, toast (not Atkins but I like toast with B & E) I am full the entire day up to late afternoon, early evening, and I don't tire. I don't follow Atkins as a religion, as I don't have a weight problem, BUT I found it interesting and applied it and his recommendations do suppress appetite. If I ever feel like I've got a couple pounds too many I knock off the beer, get outside a little more and in a 4 to 6 weeks I've lost the weight.. if not sooner.

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    I will not go by the Atkins diet. No need for me to. Like you, I go pretty big on breakfast. High on protein (meat, milk, eggs) and I spread my fruit intake throughout the day. Many people make the mistake of a fruit-heavy breakfast which causes them to feel hungry again by 10AM. Like you, I don't feel hungry until lunch time, regardless of how hard my morning workouts are.

    I am sure Atkins helps some people, but to consider it a cure all for everyone is not really a good idea. Everyone is different and has different needs. I need a high protein and high carb diet (high carbs especially before races) because of the sports I participate in. But again, we all are different.

    I still submit that the primary (not only) reason is the increased consumption of empty calories and junk foods along with reduced exercise.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I will not go by the Atkins diet. No need for me to. Like you, I go pretty big on breakfast. High on protein (meat, milk, eggs) and I spread my fruit intake throughout the day. Many people make the mistake of a fruit-heavy breakfast which causes them to feel hungry again by 10AM. Like you, I don't feel hungry until lunch time, regardless of how hard my morning workouts are.

    I am sure Atkins helps some people, but to consider it a cure all for everyone is not really a good idea. Everyone is different and has different needs. I need a high protein and high carb diet (high carbs especially before races) because of the sports I participate in. But again, we all are different.

    I still submit that the primary (not only) reason is the increased consumption of empty calories and junk foods along with reduced exercise.
    I'm on a moderate diet - rather than doing anything 'low' - moderate consumption of calories, fats, sugars, fiber, carbs - it works for me.

    That's the key to dieting - everyone is different psychologically. People have to find a new routine that they feel is maintainable and controllable. I'm going in the direction where my bodyfat loss is slow but I don't feel deprived - I still have the sweets and treats I crave, I just don't consume them in high quantities or extremely frequently.

    But that won't work for others - others can't handle moderating intake of their favorite candy, so some choose to just abstain altogether. . . .whatever works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As a kid I couldn't stand salad, was no fan of vegetables, wasn't a big fan of spuds, enjoyed meat and eggs, cheese was putrid, cereal with milk was the standard breakfast, drank a fair bit of milk and this didn't change a whole lot until I was in my mid-late 20's (except the milk; I stopped drinking it at about 18... except for milkshakes). At 20 I had a physical and the doc said with my cholesterol level I'd live to be 200; I was anything but fat.

    I was an active kid, and eating breakfast was a slog... regardless of what it was.

    As for the Food Pyramid... here's an article about it:



    A researcher at U Penn did a study about Atkins and cholesterol and thought... this will be the first and last, as he expected a huge increase. Wrong. he was blown away.

    In Denmark they set up a trial and the people went to a special store where they received and monitored everything; all Atkins related. Their blood profiles improved.

    It's simple and I notice it. If I eat a breakfast of eggs, ham, toast (not Atkins but I like toast with B & E) I am full the entire day up to late afternoon, early evening, and I don't tire. I don't follow Atkins as a religion, as I don't have a weight problem, BUT I found it interesting and applied it and his recommendations do suppress appetite. If I ever feel like I've got a couple pounds too many I knock off the beer, get outside a little more and in a 4 to 6 weeks I've lost the weight.. if not sooner.

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    I agree that the food pyramid is a joke... I've heard that the pyramid is the same proportions of food used in pigs diet to fatten them up for slaughter.

    Atkins diet, well, dr Atkins died of a massive heart attack. So, maybe he should not be held in such high esteem, but he was probably right about the refined carbs...

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I agree that the food pyramid is a joke... I've heard that the pyramid is the same proportions of food used in pigs diet to fatten them up for slaughter.

    Atkins diet, well, dr Atkins died of a massive heart attack.
    So, maybe he should not be held in such high esteem, but he was probably right about the refined carbs...
    your continued level of FAIL in all posts is astounding...

    Diet guru Dr. Robert Atkins dead at 72 - CNN
    Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet, died Thursday after an accidental fall on April 8 left him comatose.

    Atkins, 72, was rushed to New York Weill Cornell Medical Center by his colleague, Dr. Keith Berkowitz, where surgeons removed a blood clot to relieve pressure in his brain on April 9.

    Atkins slipped on an icy sidewalk outside his New York office.

    "We are hoping for a miracle," Richard Rothstein, a spokesman for Atkins told CNN April 11, "but the chances for a meaningful recovery are slim.
    Here's more detailed information on his death:
    USATODAY.com - Statements on Atkins' death
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    your continued level of FAIL in all posts is astounding...

    Diet guru Dr. Robert Atkins dead at 72 - CNN


    Here's more detailed information on his death:
    USATODAY.com - Statements on Atkins' death
    *applause* you made a legitimate point for a change...

    But it was actually a misunderstanding... he WAS being treated for cardiomyopathy, which I probably only read half paying attention, so you're correct that was unrelated to his cause of death, and probably the source of what got twisted into a heart attack.

    I agree in principal with the high protein / low carb diet, and maybe it's just downplaying veggies in the ads, but if you're not getting a good mix of veggies in your diet you better be taking nutritional supplements.

    Anyway, I stand corrected.

    And your next post is going to tell me that I need to reconsider my entire life because Atkins didn't die of a heart attack.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I will not go by the Atkins diet. No need for me to. Like you, I go pretty big on breakfast. High on protein (meat, milk, eggs) and I spread my fruit intake throughout the day. Many people make the mistake of a fruit-heavy breakfast which causes them to feel hungry again by 10AM. Like you, I don't feel hungry until lunch time, regardless of how hard my morning workouts are.

    I am sure Atkins helps some people, but to consider it a cure all for everyone is not really a good idea. Everyone is different and has different needs. I need a high protein and high carb diet (high carbs especially before races) because of the sports I participate in. But again, we all are different.

    I still submit that the primary (not only) reason is the increased consumption of empty calories and junk foods along with reduced exercise.
    I agree... no diet is a cure all, hence I dislike government recommendations. And the Government Food Pyramid turned into the Government Sugar Pyramid.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I agree that the food pyramid is a joke... I've heard that the pyramid is the same proportions of food used in pigs diet to fatten them up for slaughter.

    Atkins diet, well, dr Atkins died of a massive heart attack. So, maybe he should not be held in such high esteem, but he was probably right about the refined carbs...
    I recall Atkins died from slipping on ice, but the veg-O-matic crowd, including some unethical MD's tried to spin his death as caused by his diet.
    Years after his death in 2003, the rumor that Dr. Robert Atkins "died of his own diet" persists. The falsehoods concerning his death are mainly propagated by the vegan group the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and related groups and individuals. However, even the mainstream media is not blameless. In March 2007, Newsweek magazine published an opinion piece by Dr. Dean Ornish which contained the same untruths, which were later retracted by the magazine*.

    * In March 2007, Newsweek magazine published a correction stating, "An earlier version of this story contained an inaccurate account of events surrounding the death of Dr. Robert Atkins. Newsweek regrets the error."

    In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has quite a few different causes. His was thought to be from a viral illness, and his physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.

    On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".

    How Did Atkins Die - Death Of Dr. Robert Atkins
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