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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Aren't they just a business though? I mean in the end, isn't even a public school a business? If the parents and the kids want to buy cake I think they should provide it.
    Unfortunately no.

    Businesses exist with market prices and competition.
    Current school policy masks the price with loads of subsidization from other non participating "customers" and they are a legal monopoly.
    To call it a business would be perverse, in my opinion.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Unfortunately no.

    Businesses exist with market prices and competition.
    Current school policy masks the price with loads of subsidization from other non participating "customers" and they are a legal monopoly.
    To call it a business would be perverse, in my opinion.
    Ok, bad word choice. D:

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As someone who had to rely on nutrition for performance I know what you are saying, but it isn't government's job to do this. I also broke the rules too... big time because it suited me and my performance better.

    The best diet would be Atkins; but that ain't gonna happen any time soon. It is diametrically opposed to the Government Food Pyramid and the brainwashing the low fat craze they fomented.
    Though an Atkins Diet would negatively impact the already healthy kids if it was applied universally, whereas just feeding them healthy foods has only benefits. (except possibly taste)

    Many do. Mine did. They let me decide how high or low I would go. Of course, back then if you went low you were going to repeat, and there was a stigma attached to repeating a grade or being a failure.
    They decided how much homework you did, not how much homework you had, should parents be able to tell the school 'give my kid no homework so he passes by default'?

    You were doing fine until you got here... I'll chalk it up to Aussie humor.
    Yeah, that was humour.

    It's not ignorant. So... if parents can manage these other days, they can pack a lunch for the kids.

    Problem Sol-ved (Inspecteur Clouseau speech pattern) without government intervention.

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    I agree, I think parents should supply their kids with lunch, they do here, but if the school is supplying the food it should be healthy.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    In London there have been proposals to have parents have their homes hooked into CCTV with government monitoring so if the parents forget to change a diaper that the child protective services can come in and bring the kids into the loving arms of foster parents. (where kids are far more likely to be abused and/ or put on pharmaceuticals like Prozac and all.)
    Personally I think this is a terrible idea but you are being somewhat selective in your mentioning of this. Social Services aren't planning to put cameras in the homes of every parent. There has been a suggestion that where people have already proven themselves to be feckless parents and their children are considered to be at risk, then to give them one last chance, there should be some kind of monitoring of them showing their day to day tending of the child.

    And let's not paint it as just 'not changing a nappy,' some babies are left in wet and rotting nappies for so long that they get ammonia burns on their skin, the suggestion is designed to prevent stuff like that.

    I have to agree though that it would be a massive intrusion but you're description of the situation is somewhat disingenuous.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That sucks.
    Nothing better than hot fresh coffee, with some good ole 2% milk, to cool it down.
    I don't drink coffee either. You must think I'm an alien from outer space. I can compromise with... tea.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't drink coffee either. You must think I'm an alien from outer space. I can compromise with... tea.
    Nah tea's cool too.
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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Though an Atkins Diet would negatively impact the already healthy kids if it was applied universally,
    Wrong. And this is why government should be out of the restaurant business and schools out of the Food Police business.

    Studies have shown, from Denmark to Universities in the US... Atkins is a positive.

    They US Government busy bodies have done major damage with their Food Pyramid, and their school lunch programs haven't done much better... and this after 7+ decades. Piss off you failures I say.


    whereas just feeding them healthy foods has only benefits. (except possibly taste)
    Atkins is a healthy diet.


    They decided how much homework you did, not how much homework you had, should parents be able to tell the school 'give my kid no homework so he passes by default'?
    I thought you spoke about parents dictating how much homework I did irrespective of what the school gave.

    I agree, I think parents should supply their kids with lunch, they do here, but if the school is supplying the food it should be healthy.
    Chocolate milk will not end the world... nor will soda or candy.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    But can you extend that argument to kids behaviour, clothing, or study habits? These things are regulated by schools already, and plus healthy food boosts your ability to concentrate compared to sugary foods, so there's also the argument that this could help kids grades.
    Well, for better or worse the precedence has been set long ago...

    The high school I went to when I was young had closed down the shooting range in the basement some 5-10 years earlier... that's right, kids were openly bringing guns to school. Then the schools crack down on "violence" then it becomes tag, then it's no touching, etc...

    There's been a long process through which the school is putting itself into the role as the 'parent' of children, where the school tells kids what to think, how to act, how to be a good worker... it seems however, they no longer teach kids HOW to think.

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    Re: Schools may ban chocolate milk over added sugar

    For those recommending specific diet plans please keep in mind: children have much different nutritional needs than adults. They sugars should be eliminated, and only complex carbs should be provided, however a child's developing brain needs fat (the "good kind, primarily) in order to function properly and develop fully. Some of you might recall being told by your pediatrician that you should never give your child anything but whole milk. They say this because the fat in milk is so good for the child. Feeding a child tofu patties and steamed veggies with 1% milk isn't going to meet their nutritional needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltim View Post
    Personally I think this is a terrible idea but you are being somewhat selective in your mentioning of this. Social Services aren't planning to put cameras in the homes of every parent. There has been a suggestion that where people have already proven themselves to be feckless parents and their children are considered to be at risk, then to give them one last chance, there should be some kind of monitoring of them showing their day to day tending of the child.

    And let's not paint it as just 'not changing a nappy,' some babies are left in wet and rotting nappies for so long that they get ammonia burns on their skin, the suggestion is designed to prevent stuff like that.

    I have to agree though that it would be a massive intrusion but you're description of the situation is somewhat disingenuous.
    I suppose you are right in the sense that this isn't proposed for everyone, but if you consider that there aren't enough cameras to install in everyone's homes... So, start the intrusions with people that he majority would agree SHOULD have this intrusion as a precedence to create 'justifications' which will inevitably include everyone.

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