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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I remember a news event from a few years ago where some Imams from Minneapolis pulled a stunt where they chanted loudly before boarding the plane, spoke loudly against the United States while on the plane, made bizarre requests involving their seat belts, refused to take their assigned seats and then positioned themselves at strategic areas throughout the plane. The original reports then were similar to these where it was simplified to a case of passengers becoming nervous. Of course, there was good cause for them to be nervous since these creatures were trying to cause a stir and/or going on a test run, but the case was framed by many as "Islamophobia".

    It would be helpful to have more information on how they acted rather than just how they looked, since the key to any pilot's judgement call should be behavior rather than appearance.
    So you have no evidence that the victims did anything, but you just want to throw it out there to kinda plant the idea that maybe the victims are to blame. Classy!
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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

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    Wait. So in your opinion it's reasonable to kick someone off the plane because people feel uncomfortable even after a second screening?
    Yes. I think that is perfectly clear. The last line of defense is the flight crew and pilots.

    Can I kick you off a plane just because I feel uncomfortable with a conservative on board? I really think you might be a terrorist. Forget the fact that you've already been rescreened and searched by hand. I'm still uncomfortable, get off my plane.
    If Conservatives were responsible for endless terror attacks, thousand upon thousands... then yes... Conservatives should be under extra special scrutiny. Alan Keyes spelled it out clearly I thought.

    Screening isn't perfect... I think you are familiar with the attempted shoe and underwear bombers. Or are you not? I think you're aware of 911? Are you? I think you are aware of the fact that we put a bullet through the forehead of bin Laden. Are you? I think you might be aware that airport security has been breached... aren't you?

    I think you might be aware of the fact they claimed massive revenge? Are you? You're likely aware they have sleeper cells throughout the western world... No?

    This wasn't the Bad News Bears or Christian Bitter Clingers making thousands of terror attacks and threatening revenge was it? Didn't think so.

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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Dea View Post
    Muslim group: two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina - CNN.com

    I understand the fear after all that has happened over the past few years. However is it necessary to pull two individuals who have passed security off a plane, because they've made some people uncomfortable?

    thoughts?
    This is wrong on so many levels. Imams bought, the tickets and passed the screening.

    Everyone gets a good looking at but you cannot assume you can look at a terrorist and spot them.

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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Results do not always justify the means. Nuking all Muslim countries would most likely wipe out a majority of radical Islam and their capability to launch wide-scale attacks, but just because it might wipe out radical Islam the results by no way justifies the means.
    We were not talking about nukes. We were talking about societal pressure (from idiots, granted) helping people abandon fanaticism.


    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    you cannot assume you can look at a terrorist and spot them.
    That's true! Who did that?
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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    That's true! Who did that?
    AQ could just simply use Caucasian Russians, Chechens, Kazhaks or White Americans to carry out their ops

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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    The world is neither perfect or fair. The Muslim religion has been tarnished and continues to be tarnished by so many extremists.

    At Fresno State University in Calif. they had their Bulldog logo taken by a very violent street gang.There has even been FSU supporters attacked by rival gangs for wearing Bulldog shirts. It is not fair at all. The police have taken great lengths to countner this by putting so many Bulldog gangmembers in prison now that they are one of the most violent gangs in prison.
    The students and fans of FSU do not deserve this but are caught in this crossfire. The main way they can fight back is to crushing the gang which there has been much involvement in doing.


    If your image has been tarnish you have to do all you can to retrieve it. The
    Muslim population has not been seen to actively attack these Bin Laden supporters as the people who have attacked the Fred Phelps morons, Just saying.
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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you have no evidence that the victims did anything, but you just want to throw it out there to kinda plant the idea that maybe the victims are to blame. Classy!
    So typical for you, you did not comprehend much of anything so you decided to say something unintelligent and derisive.

    I haven't judged whether they are guilty or not. By your use of the term "victim", however, you HAVE prejudged, and all without any evidence. Until the case is investigated, we do not know whether it was their behavior that drew the response of the captain or their looks. If it was just their looks, then they are innocent, but the article does not mention what the pilot might have seen by way of behavior.
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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    AQ could just simply use Caucasian Russians, Chechens, Kazhaks or White Americans to carry out their ops
    Or Jews!


    I mean, who assumed "you can look at a terrorist and spot them"? I think we are on about a disturbance on an airplane leading to the pilot(s) deciding to abort taxi. I didn't read anything about the pilot thinking they were terrorists, or doing so merely by looking at them.

    Here's a transcript of the plane's radio transmission:
    "I've got two terrorists on board - I got a pretty good look at 'em when they boarded and they are either ninjas or know magic.
    No, they haven't done anything yet, but I'm sure. I'm gonna taxi back. Prep special-ops."



    You think that's what happened? Why wasn't delta-force waiting at the terminal? Why would a plane with terrorists on it go back to the terminal?
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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So basically we should bow to the will of the stupid. No. Stupid people are stupid and we should not cater to them. I am actually shamed that people in my country think something so inherently vile as this. People should let their actions be controlled by retarded people. People like you making excuses why we should discriminate against people's religion in the name of protecting the stupid make me fear for the longterm prospects of this country.
    No, they should respect the feelings of those Americans who are nervous just that they're flying -- and more nervous when they see two Muslims board a plane in full regalia at this particular time. And I'm betting they're helluva lot smarter than you are -- that they understood what happened and hold no malice. They haven't yet gotten into the American Mindset of "Who Can I Sue??"

    Inherently vile? Hyperbole much? Tolerance runs both ways, yes? Or maybe not on Redress's road...

    Edit:
    In stark contrast to the violent image of Islam, they turned the other cheek: they didn't mind since they were in favor of stringent security measures. Even with a clear opportunity to sue the daylights out of Atlantic Southeast Airlines, they only want the pilot to undergo sensitivity training.
    http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474979302566

    After seeing their picture, I can't agree with the pilot. The second screening should have been enough, if even necessary. I doubt the pilot will be fired -- I believe work rules let him put anyone off the plane. Hope they got a free flight and a voucher. It'd be interesting to know if the passengers were concerned -- or if the concern was all that of the captain and/or crew. We live in straaaaange times...

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    Re: Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Or Jews!


    I mean, who assumed "you can look at a terrorist and spot them"? I think we are on about a disturbance on an airplane leading to the pilot(s) deciding to abort taxi. I didn't read anything about the pilot thinking they were terrorists, or doing so merely by looking at them.

    Here's a transcript of the plane's radio transmission:
    "I've got two terrorists on board - I got a pretty good look at 'em when they boarded and they are either ninjas or know magic.
    No, they haven't done anything yet, but I'm sure. I'm gonna taxi back. Prep special-ops."



    You think that's what happened? Why wasn't delta-force waiting at the terminal? Why would a plane with terrorists on it go back to the terminal?
    Just to clear things...


    What happened to the Imams was wrong. Period. They paid for their fare plus the security screening gave them the go.

    There was no reason to take these individual off the plane

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