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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and IR. and noise. and visual against a night skyline - which is why you actually want dark grey instead of black. Stealth isn't just counter-radar.
    I thought they went in in the afternoon.

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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The truth is, based on the picture, nothing that was recovered will give away information not already speculated/known.
    sadly this is not true. the chinese in particular are very, very good at reverse engineering.

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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by pzycho View Post
    I thought they went in in the afternoon.

    true. but you don't design a helicopter for use between the hours of noon and 7pm local time. you design it for a 24 hour op potential. given that combat is a competitive game, we are rapidly getting to the point where we are perhaps even better at night than we are during the day. Charlie fears the night, now.
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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by pzycho View Post
    The point of a stealth helicopter would not be to make it silent - impossible. It would be to eliminate the radar cross section and thus avoid air defenses.
    Actually modern helo's have a very small radar cross-section already. The idea is to reduce noise(not make them silent, but reduce noise) and lower heat sources.
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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, you wouldn't necessarily call in a TLAM; but I don't know why they didnt' have a Pred on station nearby for ISR. A couple of AGM-114's should have been able to take care of anything left over from the controlled demo the SEALs were able to pull off in the raid. It's an unfortunate part of an otherwise excellent raid.
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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sadly this is not true. the chinese in particular are very, very good at reverse engineering.
    I was not saying they could not reverse engineer, but once it is known something is possible, figuring out how is not that bad. This was known to be possible already, and based on the needs the rough design would be fairly clear.
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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We still use Hellfires?
    yeah - even though they suck; they have the "benefit" of being small, so we can load them on the UAV's. But two (or hey, more, i'm almost always a fan of more) of them should have been sufficient to seriously degrade the ability of anyone to reverse engineer a tail rotor.

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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I was not saying they could not reverse engineer, but once it is known something is possible, figuring out how is not that bad. This was known to be possible already, and based on the needs the rough design would be fairly clear.
    i'm less worried about capability (though probably composite materials - which you know as well as I do can be classified pretty highly - will probably be a big boon for them there), and more worried about defeat mechanisms. It's less that they now know how to do it (though that is important) and more that they now know how we do it.

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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That's not true, as evidenced by the guy who tweeted the whole thing.
    Watch this video, particularly at 2:06. There are several reports that this occurred.

    SEALs Used Secret Stealth Helicopter

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    Re: Mysterious stealth helicopter used in bin Laden raid...

    If that tail piece (let me say, thingy), is so super-secret then why was it not destroyed? The SEAL team extracted a number of people and none were injured; thus, they were not likely under fire when leaving. If they were not leaving under fire, then they had all the time (and presumably stuff that explodes) they wanted.

    Did they run out of time or exploding stuff? No drone shot? No bonfire made from furniture?


    I think they left behind a thingy with cardboard and duct-tape mods.
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