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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is your statement (as was exactly posted previously). point out what interpretations should be found erroneous and/or dishonest

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    I find it interesting that the general wisdom of the devotees of 'free markets' and deregulation; 'you get what you pay for', applies to everything but education.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I find it interesting that the general wisdom of the devotees of 'free markets' and deregulation; 'you get what you pay for', applies to everything but education.
    That doesn't make sense to me

    I send my son to an expensive private school because you do get what you pay for



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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    generally those who whine that others are racist are those who cannot handle the truth and use the dishonest charges of racism or racist as a cowardly attempt to silence or embarrass those whose points the name callers cannot refute
    you profess to be an attorney. yet when challenged to point out what you assert are dishonest and erroneous interpretations within my ensuing post, you slink away from that challenge. rather than meeting the challenge and pointing out any errors or dishonesty, you instead deflect to speak of those who are unable to handle the truth

    my post with which you took exception:
    it's pathetic that an officer of the court goes out of his way to demonstrate ownership of such backward, racially biased views
    my response was to this statement by you:
    why do you call people racist when they post factually correct statements. the fact is American black society has several detrimental social pathologies that cause many members of that community to underachieve or end up in jail. It is not racist to note those pathologies-indeed real racism involves enabling such behavior by castigating those who point it out.
    so, do not take the coward's way out and avoid the challenge. instead, this time, point to ANY error or dishonesty within my above post, highlited in blue font

    you stated the following about that post in blue font:
    its pathetic you constantly comment about me out of the blue based on an erroneous and dishonest interpretation of what I have posted.
    now point to what is found erroneous and dishonest within my above post


    certainly any real attorney who makes such a statement would be able to defend it by citing the errors and dishonesty. prove for us that you are an attorney rather than a coward
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That doesn't make sense to me

    I send my son to an expensive private school because you do get what you pay for
    Then conversely, one would expect individuals like yourself to presume that if we allocate more funding for public education, presuming we divide it up right, we'll get better public education. However, the right, as a whole (Many of whom seem fairly skeptical of taxes, or even federal government, as a concept.) seem to expect schools and teachers to produce far better results by slashing their funding. There just seems to be a duplicity, there.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    So a democrat is the leader of a city, that has a high poverty rate?! I'm shocked! I wonder why the poverty rate is so damn high in Cincinnati, a city I live within close proximity of! Well besides the fact that the majority of Cincinnati's population lives in their ultra cheap housing within the cities limits, and the surrounding suburbs have half a million dollar homes (which these home owners actually *gasp* commute to Cincinnati!) it could have to do with the unfortunate reality that typically, cities who's populations are disproportionately non-white will do worse in education statistically.

    Why doesn't anybody ever include the fact that most people that live within these cities aren't exactly doing well for themselves in the first place, and the vast majority of the greater city area actually does very well? Cincinnati especially has 4 incredible colleges, 2 decent school systems, and a nice catholic school as well, as well as an incredibly affluent Jewish community in the northern neighboring towns around Cincinnati. That's the thing about these studies when people try to prove this or that about how horrible a city is. I'm sure many of you living around one of these other major cities could have a similar story knowing the actual geography of the area rather than going off a flat stat sheet that doesn't take into account that smaller, neighboring parts of the city do incredibly well (and are also typically ran by Democrats).
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The Report
    http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.co...port_final.pdf

    I'll leave the commentary to others, then again... my bet is it's because the teachers aren't paid enough for their fabulous performance.

    It can't get any worse, so why not try something different, radical... like vouchers and ridding the city of unionized teachers?

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    My guess is that if they are claiming 47% (based on those that cant adequately fill out employment applications) then the actual numbers is probably closer to 60% when you factor in those that dont even bother trying to apply for jobs.

    I dont think you can blame schools for all or even most of this. Blame it on the failed families, the refusal to teach basic education principles, blame it on the community for failure to stress the importance of academic success. Blame it on the corporations for a nearsighted profit oriented vision that allowed their industry to crumble. Blame the unions for also contributing to the collapse of industry by pricing workers out of jobs. Blame ineffective government policy that lacked the vision to engage to keep Americas industrial base solid and viable. Blame shareholders for buying into share profits at the expense of workers. Blame the politicians for not engaging the problem. Blame the citizens that kept sending the same clowns to the state legislature. Blame the citizens for not effectively shepparding their communities.

    Lots of blame.

    But if your point re education is that it is senseless to continue to throw good money after bad in an obviously failed education system...then yes indeed...you are spot on.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I find it interesting that the general wisdom of the devotees of 'free markets' and deregulation; 'you get what you pay for', applies to everything but education.
    The modern perception is that school is free and people treat it accordingly.
    They treat it cheaply.

    Education is heavily financed, with the school districts typically hiding costs to justify greater funding, that is wasted.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The Report
    http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.co...port_final.pdf

    I'll leave the commentary to others, then again... my bet is it's because the teachers aren't paid enough for their fabulous performance.

    It can't get any worse, so why not try something different, radical... like vouchers and ridding the city of unionized teachers?

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    Theres more to education than just teachers. I would say teachers aren't paid enough in general. The majority of money spent per child is sent to administrators.

    I think you all, who bash teachers, should watch The Cartel.

    Yes, Union rules sometimes protect bad teachers
    Yes, too much money is being wasted in the SYSTEM
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you profess to be an attorney. yet when challenged to point out what you assert are dishonest and erroneous interpretations within my ensuing post, you slink away from that challenge. rather than meeting the challenge and pointing out any errors or dishonesty, you instead deflect to speak of those who are unable to handle the truth

    my post with which you took exception:

    my response was to this statement by you:

    so, do not take the coward's way out and avoid the challenge. instead, this time, point to ANY error or dishonesty within my above post, highlited in blue font

    you stated the following about that post in blue font:

    now point to what is found erroneous and dishonest within my above post


    certainly any real attorney who makes such a statement would be able to defend it by citing the errors and dishonesty. prove for us that you are an attorney rather than a coward
    Its pretty much a given you have not paid attention to the edification CC and others have delivered to you. And your obsession with that fact is becoming pathological

    truth is not racially biased and you never have proven ANYTHING I have posted to be untrue



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