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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    I know it may seem simple to most of us, but remember how there were "cool kids" that everyone wanted to be friends with in school? Well cool kids in many of these cities are actually the gangs. They are drawn to these people for some reason and it is a terrible problem that constantly crops up.
    Bold and underline mine.


    If everyone wants to be your friend, you're a "rich" kid, not a "cool" kid.

    Haters gonna hate.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bold and underline mine.


    If everyone wants to be your friend, you're a "rich" kid, not a "cool" kid.

    Haters gonna hate.
    And if you're born in the slum, who are the rich kids? Are they sons of doctors, lawyers, successful businesspeople? No, they are the ones associated in one way or another with drugs. The message is clear: If you want to have a nice ride, all the b*** you want, you have to be the toughest and meanest drug runner in town. Why go to school? how is that relevant to your hopes and dreams?

    It's a somewhat different culture than what is found in the affluent suburbs.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    i'm a veteran california public school teacher and i can tell you the bedrock---the reason principals so rarely move against any of our few incompetent, lazy, jaded, unprofessionally mean, etc, colleagues is cuzza:

    Principals said they thought it was pointless to give critical judgments of tenured teachers. They also said they didn't want to deal with the grievance process that often accompanies poor evaluations, according to the report by the New Teacher Project, a non-profit focused on teacher quality.
    (usa today above)

    in new york it costs a quarter mil to remove a bad teacher:

    Because tenure laws are different in every state, comparisons on the time and expense involved in disciplining or firing teachers are difficult. In New York state, the process can take six to 18 months and can run into hundreds of thousands of dollars, including the teachers' pay and fees for lawyers, stenographers and arbitrators.

    In New York City, the cost to fire one incompetent tenured teacher is about $250,000, said Education Department spokeswoman Melody Meyer. She said that of 55,000 teachers on staff, 10 were fired last year.
    Firing tenured teachers isn't just difficult, it costs you - USATODAY.com

    usa today doesn't mention all the stages a district must go thru BEFORE initiating dismissal proceedings

    if a principal gives a teacher any kind of negative evalutation, the administration has committed itself to a great deal of extra work

    the union generally fights it every foot

    in my area everyone always says it costs the district a million dollars to get rid of one of us

    the one exception that'll getcha is if you touch a kid, in anger or its opposite

    smart veteran teachers avoid being alone in a class with a kid with the door closed

    also, never turn your back on the action, always find a wall for your back, savvy vets converse side by side, they do not face each other

    anyway, blaming is for bitches, men and women of quality and character are concerned with solutions

    tenure reform is drastically needed if anyone is really interested in improving public education, it doesn't have to be partisan

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    tenure reform is drastically needed if anyone is really interested in improving public education, it doesn't have to be partisan
    Key phrase is REFORM, not removal which is what many on the right want.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Key phrase is REFORM, not removal which is what many on the right want.
    what about tenure needs reforming?
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what about tenure needs reforming?
    Mainly the adjudication process and the fact that tenure is based only on seniority, not effectiveness.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what about tenure needs reforming?
    Perhaps making it easier to fire a teacher for non performance, while preserving the right to oppose the administration, or to rise to the top of the salary schedule without risking being fired in order to make room for someone who will work more cheaply.

    The problem of incompetent teachers is highly exaggerated anyway. Most of them are weeded out long before gaining tenure.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    As I stated before there are many outside influences that effect the way children learn that the education system can not stop no matter how strong or weak it is. This isn't an excuse this is just life. Being a new father, my child is healthier and developed more than most 4 month old children by this time, including her motor skills and such. This just isn't because of mine and her mothers constant attention it is also due to many of the colorful, educational toys that help her with her hand eye coordination, balance, and so on. This is just a simple example but many parents themselves do not have the money to afford the kinds of things we are able to afford for my daughter.

    So then you have Detroit. I'm sure like Cincinnati's work force, much of the workers there at GM or Ford in Detroit commute from outside neighborhoods out of the school district. So you are left with poorer people whos taxes aren't enough to provide the educational tools needed in the school. They themselves might be working to much, not be around enough, or just not have the money or as much time as they would hope to help their children develop.

    Me personally I believe our entire educational system needs an overhaul, I don't think that it's broken but much of what is taught is outdated and needs to be updated to compete with countries such as China and India. This sentiment has been reflected by politicans from both sides.
    And of you saw my initial response to this thread you will see that I said that very thing...the fault and blame is institutional...starting with the families. But no...you thought it would be a good idea to jump in and be snarky and missed the fact that I said basically the exact same thing you did.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The problem of incompetent teachers is highly exaggerated anyway. Most of them are weeded out long before gaining tenure.
    I don't think its exaggerated. Most of the teachers in my high school didn't know how to teach, or taught from a biased point of view while others just stopped caring, thus becoming ineffective.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I don't think its exaggerated. Most of the teachers in my high school didn't know how to teach, or taught from a biased point of view while others just stopped caring, thus becoming ineffective.
    Are you a recent high school graduate then?
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