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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    hello, they'll drop out hello! I also said that social promotion is BS

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    not one bad school...I hope your not naive enough to realize this isnt happening everywhere...each student has a taxpayer dollar figure attached to them...thats why public teacher unions are so afraid of charter schools...every student they lose to a charter school means thousands to them..
    Many districts budgets are tied to the success...success is measured by GRADUATES..it behooves them to give diplomas away..

    Look this is simple..if you have a hs diploma and you cant read something is wrong right ?
    If you have the data to prove it is happening everywhere, it would be one thing.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So do you just have a big poster of Ayn Rand in your living room with candles around it and offerings? You know, if we used your logic that if a kid doesn't care about education then they don't belong in school..guess what? You would be ****ed. There would be a bunch of kids a few years from now robbing you at gun point because I'm pretty certain any child at one point probably has said "I just want to quit school". Do you seriously think a child has the capacity to make wise decisions for themselves? I guess we should quit trying to feed them vegetables and healthy habits because hey, if they want candy **** it they don't need to be healthy THEY DESERVE diabetes? Seriously.
    Nah...why...do you keep your shrine to the king of the morons you worship daily in your living room or do you have a special room? Good thing those personal comments are all in fun, right?

    If you followed my plan those that actually stayed in school would survive and thrive. Kids wouldnt have to pass through metal detectors and the quality of their education wouldnt be reduced to the lowest common denominator. And you are at LEAST an apprentice 3rd level moron if you dont recognize that with the poluted product we today call 'schools' we dont already have all those problems you cited and more. You are a fan of evolution...right? Stop providing opportunites for people to fail. Stop excusing it. Try taking a stand and demanding a better quality product.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    hello, they'll drop out hello! I also said that social promotion is BS
    Yes, it is, and yet research has shown that holding kids back doesn't change them or motivate them. So, what do you do with the kids who didn't pass fourth (third, fifth, take your pick) grade? Keep them in fourth grade, they just create discipline problems. Promote them, they learn to just coast. The solution is.... ?????
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it is, and yet research has shown that holding kids back doesn't change them or motivate them. So, what do you do with the kids who didn't pass fourth (third, fifth, take your pick) grade? Keep them in fourth grade, they just create discipline problems. Promote them, they learn to just coast. The solution is.... ?????
    Depends on the student. Do they not care because of physiological problems, economic problems, learn disabilities? Money needs to be spent in identifying problems, problem is, thats not usually what happens.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Depends on the student. Do they not care because of physiological problems, economic problems, learn disabilities? Money needs to be spent in identifying problems, problem is, thats not usually what happens.
    In many cases, they don't think they can succeed. They may have encountered failure, and just given up. Holding them back just reinforces the belief that they can't do it, so they just quit trying.

    One problem is starting formal instruction before the child is ready. You try to learn to read, and don't succeed, so you decide you can't. Same with math. Someone tries to teach you fractions, or algebra, and you don't get it, and decide that you just don't get math. So, what do we do to reform the situation? Why, we start teaching academics at an earlier and earlier age, of course. It's a great solution politically, but a disaster to the learning process.

    If walking had to be formally taught, we'd have a generation of crawlers. Kids learn to walk when they're ready. For some, that means nine months or so, for others perhaps 15. Do the earlier walkers turn out to be better at it? Not necessarily. For reading, it's the same thing. A kid who learns at 5 is not necessarily better at it than one who learns at 7, or 9. One of the best teachers of remedial reading I met told me he learned to read himself at the age of 15.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In many cases, they don't think they can succeed. They may have encountered failure, and just given up. Holding them back just reinforces the belief that they can't do it, so they just quit trying.

    One problem is starting formal instruction before the child is ready. You try to learn to read, and don't succeed, so you decide you can't. Same with math. Someone tries to teach you fractions, or algebra, and you don't get it, and decide that you just don't get math. So, what do we do to reform the situation? Why, we start teaching academics at an earlier and earlier age, of course. It's a great solution politically, but a disaster to the learning process.

    If walking had to be formally taught, we'd have a generation of crawlers. Kids learn to walk when they're ready. For some, that means nine months or so, for others perhaps 15. Do the earlier walkers turn out to be better at it? Not necessarily. For reading, it's the same thing. A kid who learns at 5 is not necessarily better at it than one who learns at 7, or 9. One of the best teachers of remedial reading I met told me he learned to read himself at the age of 15.
    And how do you identify if that is indeed the problem or not? Oh, and some kids are just stupid. My brother doesn't understand Math at all, granted he wasn't taught it very well, but hes been told by nearly everyone that he'll get it eventually. Because of that, he still wants to go hardcore into science, mainly medical. He'll be a college drop out because of it. Sometimes honesty is the best policy.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And how do you identify if that is indeed the problem or not? Oh, and some kids are just stupid. My brother doesn't understand Math at all, granted he wasn't taught it very well, but hes been told by nearly everyone that he'll get it eventually. Because of that, he still wants to go hardcore into science, mainly medical. He'll be a college drop out because of it. Sometimes honesty is the best policy.
    Nearly every human being that ever walked the Earth is capable of more than he/she imagines. Telling someone that they're just stupid and will never get it is child abuse IMO.
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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Nearly every human being that ever walked the Earth is capable of more than he/she imagines. Telling someone that they're just stupid and will never get it is child abuse IMO.
    And if they really can't do it because they are stupid what is that? Some people are just dumb, or don't easily understand certain types of information. That doesn't make them completely stupid or useless, it just means they should switch their focus to something they are actually capable of doing.

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    Re: Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Canít Read

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    IMHO - your pathetic ramblings are of the ignorant and racist variety. You mean to say it's hard to teach 'black' babies to read, right?


    /facepalm. You cannot be serious.

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    [You and the Badmutha see Detroit as one big ghetto. And you see black people as less intelligent monkeys. You hide your racism behind snide little remarks -- but we catch your drift.
    /facepalm

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    [It's not hard to teach crack babies, black babies, white babies or any baby to read. It requires loving parents and devoted teachers.
    It IS hard to teach children who have issues with reading as a result of drug abuse by their mother or whatever the reason may be. And it's damn near impossible when the child spends 16 hours out of the day with someone who isn't loving, caring or helpful.


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