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Obama Says He Will Not Release Bin Laden Photo

Good grief, there are still people whining about seeing a pic of Bin Laden.

Come on , we have moved onto Bin Laden's porn stash. You slow readers got to keep up.

Show us the porn!
 
It's not about whether or not the pictures should be released, it's just more partisan politics, anything to discredit the President...

ricksfolly

This should not even be an issue, but it has become one because the President has decided against the people's right to know and makes up the unrealistic excuse that armed and trained troops will be harmed if the photos are released.

One thing he should have learned from terrorists, and as most everyone else in the world knows, is that Islamic terrorists seldom go against armed troops, they go against untrained and unsuspecting innocent civilians. That has to raise red flags about his own intelligence, or his confidence in the gullibility of his supporters.

A genuine leader would have simply released the photos and have done with it, but this guy just doesn't get it. He believes that he can play games with the truth and that the American people will continue to buy into it. Maybe he's right, but it would be a real shame if he was.
 
Good grief, there are still people whining about seeing a pic of Bin Laden.

Come on , we have moved onto Bin Laden's porn stash. You slow readers got to keep up.

Show us the porn!

Islamic porn:

OMG! You can see her eyes, her hair! You can see her whole head! Oh, I'm so turned on right now.
 
On the other hand, releasing a photograph, maybe with a signed statement saying "we promise this is a real, non photo shopped picture of Bin Laden", then you'd be convinced.

Oh, how about that DNA confirmation?

There are entire BOOKS dealing with problems with DNA testing pointing to the WRONG people. There's a such thing as contamination of evidence... and believe it or not, sometimes people simply LIE :SHOCK:

It's too late for the photo... they dumped the body in the ocean. There's NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION.

Again : What has you so convinced that THIS TIME OBL is dead when there's been nearly 10 years of reports of him being dead??? Especially back in 2002 when it was revealed that he had a condition with a life-expectancy of 5 years MAX and that is WITH a dialysis machine... so where was the dialysis machine on that compound?

It's not about whether or not the pictures should be released, it's just more partisan politics, anything to discredit the President...

ricksfolly

No, this isn't even about the president really... this is a childish story, and I can't believe how everyone has bought into it hook line and sinker.

Now, I'm going to get told that I'm "theorizing conspiracies" for simply pointing out the 8 other times that OBL had died and asking how one is convinced that he actually survived his previous deaths only to be killed now.

Ever hear of "wag the dog"???

Good grief, there are still people whining about seeing a pic of Bin Laden.

Come on , we have moved onto Bin Laden's porn stash. You slow readers got to keep up.

Show us the porn!

Yes... a militantly religious character is watching porno, in his million dollar hovel equipped with the latest afghan technology, a VHS player, a 6 inch tv and a laptop with 1000's of terrabytes of terrorist data from around the world.

I wish I could be half as gullible as you guys.
 
There are entire BOOKS dealing with problems with DNA testing pointing to the WRONG people. There's a such thing as contamination of evidence... and believe it or not, sometimes people simply LIE :SHOCK:

It's too late for the photo... they dumped the body in the ocean. There's NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION.

Again : What has you so convinced that THIS TIME OBL is dead when there's been nearly 10 years of reports of him being dead??? Especially back in 2002 when it was revealed that he had a condition with a life-expectancy of 5 years MAX and that is WITH a dialysis machine... so where was the dialysis machine on that compound?



No, this isn't even about the president really... this is a childish story, and I can't believe how everyone has bought into it hook line and sinker.

Now, I'm going to get told that I'm "theorizing conspiracies" for simply pointing out the 8 other times that OBL had died and asking how one is convinced that he actually survived his previous deaths only to be killed now.

Ever hear of "wag the dog"???



Yes... a militantly religious character is watching porno, in his million dollar hovel equipped with the latest afghan technology, a VHS player, a 6 inch tv and a laptop with 1000's of terrabytes of terrorist data from around the world.

I wish I could be half as gullible as you guys.

This from the guy who buys in to the 9/11 truther story, the global warming hoaxer nonsense, and what other WCT again? There is no evidence for anything that would convince you, is there? What if God herself appeared in the sky, pointed a finger, and said, "Hey, Bin Laden is dead, the Navy Seals killed him a few days ago. He is currently in Hell serving as one of Al Zarkawi's 72 virgins. Oh, and BTW, it was him and his cockroaches who plotted the terrorist attack back in September of '01, not Bush and Cheney."

Would you believe it then?
 
This from the guy who buys in to the 9/11 truther story, the global warming hoaxer nonsense, and what other WCT again?

Well, I expect as much from someone who buys into every scam... hell, you probably still defend Enron.

There is no evidence for anything that would convince you, is there?

They tossed the evidence in the ocean.

What if God herself appeared in the sky, pointed a finger, and said, "Hey, Bin Laden is dead, the Navy Seals killed him a few days ago. He is currently in Hell serving as one of Al Zarkawi's 72 virgins. Oh, and BTW, it was him and his cockroaches who plotted the terrorist attack back in September of '01, not Bush and Cheney."

Would you believe it then?

That's not even at issue :

"HOW IS IT THAT YOU CAN DISMISS ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUS REPORTS of OBL being dead since around 2002??? But then suddenly buy into this NEW report that contains AS MUCH REAL evidence as those previous reports???"

BUT, I WOULD have believed it if the story hadn't changed 50 times, that OBL's body would have been produced in a public fashion, you know... if the standard precedences of how to handle this type of situation.

Instead these people act like a kid caught with their hand in the cookie jar and are changing their story every 5 minutes.

I don't believe these people because they are acting so guilty.
 
I didn't say that he was killed 9 times... I was pointing out the fact that since 2002 OBL has been reported as dead multiple times by sources that you would typically consider credible... MSM media mostly.
Most of these were "presumed".


I'm sure the SEALs killed someone... but there's so much dishonesty going on here that I don't really understand how you can confidently say that THIS TIME was the time they were telling the truth???
You really have a problem here. If you don't believe the President, the CIA and even Faux News. Are you sure you even exist, I mean, is there any real proof? How do you know you are not just imagining it?

Performed by who? Compared to which known OBL DNA sample? And he's a tall guy with a beard?? That proves it??
DNA taken from his own sister.
How DNA Tests Identified Osama bin Laden's Dead Body - - TIME Healthland

Especially considering those soldiers were in for a 27 MILLION dollar payday because of the bounty on his head, or was that bounty offer just for show??
This sounds like something someone from the "Deathers" would come up with.
 
Most of these were "presumed".

Yes, because he was on kidney dialysis back in 2001-2002... now, I may be corrected, but I've been under the impression that if you have renal failure that typically your life expectancy is 5 years from that point.

You really have a problem here. If you don't believe the President, the CIA and even Faux News. Are you sure you even exist, I mean, is there any real proof? How do you know you are not just imagining it?

- President : He's a politician (ie : professional liar)... since when are we able to trust a politician on their words as a generality??
- The CIA : The only people they DON"T lie to are their superiors... after that you can pretty much assume that what gets put out by intelligence agencies to be on the scale of 80% false with the 20% truth used to sell the lie.
- News agencies : They just report on the lies told by the rest, so even if they WANTED to be truthful, they are often fed on the same BS that we are all expected to regularly buy.

Not to dismiss what these people say out of hand, but just because they make certain claims does NOT automatically make them true.

BUT, this still diverts from the point : HOW can you be so CERTAIN that he was killed THIS time, as opposed to this just being some look alike??


1 - What's the time frame on that kind of test?
2 - How long did it take for these results to be published?

Oh and I suppose there's never been a corrupt lab technician either?

This sounds like something someone from the "Deathers" would come up with.

FBI most wanted list... look it up, Osama was on the top 10... look at the bounty on OBL's head.

Tell me, is that number less than 27 million dollars??

(25 million + 2 million)
 
Yes, because he was on kidney dialysis back in 2001-2002... now, I may be corrected, but I've been under the impression that if you have renal failure that typically your life expectancy is 5 years from that point.

and I suppose you have proof of this? :coffeepap
 
if the gruesome photos are released and people want to look at them then they should be made to write this 100 times.



 
and I suppose you have proof of this? :coffeepap

Not that you'll be phased by things like facts and reports, but...

The Body Odd - New life for an old rumor: Was bin Laden 'Marfanoid'?
- Where the doctor "debunking" this theory first describes bin laden as having this issue and then backtracts and tells us that OBL fit the description of suffering from this disorder, but he was not suffering from the disorder.

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian
- This was denied by the US

Is Osama bin Laden Dying ... Again? - TIME

But they mentioned the videos of bin laden looking healthy.

SpyTalk - CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay
The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

So this CIA agent (former?) admits to making at least one fake bin laden video.... THINK about that.
 
Not that you'll be phased by things like facts and reports, but...

The Body Odd - New life for an old rumor: Was bin Laden 'Marfanoid'?
- Where the doctor "debunking" this theory first describes bin laden as having this issue and then backtracts and tells us that OBL fit the description of suffering from this disorder, but he was not suffering from the disorder.

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian
- This was denied by the US

Is Osama bin Laden Dying ... Again? - TIME

But they mentioned the videos of bin laden looking healthy.

SpyTalk - CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay


So this CIA agent (former?) admits to making at least one fake bin laden video.... THINK about that.

You sound more and more like Alex Jones every day.
 
You sound more and more like Alex Jones every day.

Don't be so harsh

Read, the fine print or between the lines on what BmanMcfly is conveying

Do you actually think UBL was alone in ***masterminding*** the attacks?

Who do you think trained UBL? or the Taliban?

If its on the person (kill him/her)...On paper, you burn it. Thats how you tie loose ends
 
Yes, because he was on kidney dialysis back in 2001-2002... now, I may be corrected, but I've been under the impression that if you have renal failure that typically your life expectancy is 5 years from that point.
How can you be sure he was on kidney dialysis? You contradict yourself, it is not even funny. You choose to believe some things and ignore others?


- President : He's a politician (ie : professional liar)... since when are we able to trust a politician on their words as a generality??
Oh yes, I'm sure the President is surround by countless people that are willing to lie for him and claim that Bin Laden was killed even if they know different! LOL!


- The CIA : The only people they DON"T lie to are their superiors... after that you can pretty much assume that what gets put out by intelligence agencies to be on the scale of 80% false with the 20% truth used to sell the lie.
Oh yes, the entire CIA and everyone that works there is nothing but a liar willing to give this conspiracy all their support. You've got to be kidding.

- News agencies : They just report on the lies told by the rest, so even if they WANTED to be truthful, they are often fed on the same BS that we are all expected to regularly buy.
Geez, I guess all those stories about John Edwards having a baby out of wedlock, and Schwartzznegger having a love child, and Paul Ryan wanting to destroy Medicare are just figments of our imagination? Right, because all the news agencies work together and agree on their lies.

Not to dismiss what these people say out of hand, but just because they make certain claims does NOT automatically make them true.
Yes, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and FOX News all got together and decided they would lie for Obama and carry the story that Bin Laden was killed, but they didn't bother to check facts to make sure their stories were true - they've been lying to all of us all along. How refreshing to finally learn that.

BUT, this still diverts from the point : HOW can you be so CERTAIN that he was killed THIS time, as opposed to this just being some look alike??
I'm intelligent enough to recognize that you are not going to get that many people to agree to a lie, especially when they are on opposite parties, like Bush and Cheney and Fox News.


1 - What's the time frame on that kind of test?
2 - How long did it take for these results to be published?

Oh and I suppose there's never been a corrupt lab technician either?
No, you are absolutely correct. We cannot be sure about any of this. In fact, we cannot even be sure that we exist - we may just think we do, but do we have any real proof? After all, it could all be a dream - you know, one day we'll wake up and none of this actually happened.


FBI most wanted list... look it up, Osama was on the top 10... look at the bounty on OBL's head.
Why they kept his whereabouts so secret. Why he had guards and surveyance.

Tell me, is that number less than 27 million dollars??

(25 million + 2 million)
I have no idea, nor do I care. All I care about is that he is dead, that he is having to answer for what he did and we won't have to deal with him again. Doesn't mean that we are free of terrorists, but at least this heinous man is gone.
 
and I suppose you have proof of this? :coffeepap


He read it in some newspaper - the ones he claims lie!
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How can you be sure he was on kidney dialysis? You contradict yourself, it is not even funny. You choose to believe some things and ignore others?

Actually, more then anything I'm questioning it ALL.

Nobody's answered the simple question yet : How can you be so easy to be certain that THIS reporting of OBL's death is the correct one?? When there's been NOTHING of independent confirmation... (unless alquaida was allowed to see the body before it was tossed in the ocean, then only the US has "confirmed" the death).

I can't be SURE, but how am I supposed to dismiss that he had been reported as a VERY sick man even in 2001-2001...

Oh yes, I'm sure the President is surround by countless people that are willing to lie for him and claim that Bin Laden was killed even if they know different! LOL!


What happens to whistleblowers again???
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange 'to be charged with spying by the US' | Mail Online (and this is about a guy that is not even american, that was GIVEN documents... if this was someone from the whitehouse leaking something big like this, the charge would probably be called 'treason')

But even then, how could we be certain of who knew things were staged vs who just showed up for work?? That would require an investigation, but that's not going to happen either.

Oh yes, the entire CIA and everyone that works there is nothing but a liar willing to give this conspiracy all their support. You've got to be kidding.

No, that's NOT what I said.... but to illustrate, remember "saddam has a nigerian yellow cake" (also remember the downing street memo "the intelligence is being fixed around the issue")??

These people gather intelligence for their superiors in whatever capacity they are tasked... the organization however, ALSO spreads ALOT of disinformation. Disinformation being 10-20% accurate with 80-90% manipulation.

Geez, I guess all those stories about John Edwards having a baby out of wedlock, and Schwartzznegger having a love child, and Paul Ryan wanting to destroy Medicare are just figments of our imagination? Right, because all the news agencies work together and agree on their lies.

Let's use Arnolds love child... that love child is 10 years old... why didn't the media seek this out while it might have created a scandal + a pay bonus for good investigative work???

But you still got that wrong... umm... how to illustrate... umm... ok, next time it's 'newshour' in your locality flip through all the newscasts just long enough to determine the story. Then compare how often you'll find the same news stories, sometimes written verbatim across 3, 4, 5 or even ALL MSM outlets... not just the same story verbatim, but presented in the same 5 min segment.

Does this happen by accident? (Though I doubt you'll actually attempt this)

Yes, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and FOX News all got together and decided they would lie for Obama and carry the story that Bin Laden was killed, but they didn't bother to check facts to make sure their stories were true - they've been lying to all of us all along. How refreshing to finally learn that.

Just so you know, 95% of all media market share (tv, radio, print, AND internet) is controlled by 5 CEO's and the boardrooms they work in.

Next, look at how intimately tied these news organizations are tied to the political structure of the country they operate in... oh, and what's even better is that any "alternative" to these 5 is called "fringe" or some other derogatory descriptive.

Have you ever considered the level with which media is controlled by a surprisingly small number of people?

I'm intelligent enough to recognize that you are not going to get that many people to agree to a lie, especially when they are on opposite parties, like Bush and Cheney and Fox News.

Ya... republicans and democrats fighting is like watching a Don King boxing match... sure it's exciting, sure it's good sport, good competition... but even when it's not a rigged game Don King owns both fighters contracts so even if he's not deciding a winner he still wins regardless of results.

No, you are absolutely correct. We cannot be sure about any of this. In fact, we cannot even be sure that we exist - we may just think we do, but do we have any real proof? After all, it could all be a dream - you know, one day we'll wake up and none of this actually happened.

How many times has the story changed again?? I'm up to at least 5-10 changes to this story...

- big shootout
- one gunman shooting
- OBL used a human shield
- Obl did NOT use a human shield
- OBL shot on sight
- Obl captured THEN killed
- Administration watched the whole thing
- administration tv's blacked out during the raid

So, WHICH OF THESE stories is supposed to be the correct one?? How many times do you allow someone to change the stories before you start asking questions like "did this story even happen at all???"?

Why they kept his whereabouts so secret. Why he had guards and surveyance.

Relevance?

I have no idea, nor do I care. All I care about is that he is dead, that he is having to answer for what he did and we won't have to deal with him again. Doesn't mean that we are free of terrorists, but at least this heinous man is gone.

You have no idea, and are too lazy to look up the FBI's most wanted list???

Thanks for admitting that you're arguing from a position of ignorance. That's fine... it's probably 70-80% of people only catch the first story and stop paying attention as the story gets "corrected" 20 times into a final "working version" of the lies.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me that it was nonsense that the Gulf of Tonkin incident that led to the Vietnam war really happened... EVEN THOUGH the LBJ tapes have been released where he says he wants to fake an attack to justify war.

He read it in some newspaper - the ones he claims lie!
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Of course newspapers have reason to not tell the whole truth about stories... consider, NBC owned by GE... Lets say there's a news story that might impact GE's bottom line, what's the motivation for NBC to provide accurate reporting of the matter?? Especially KNOWING that this would hurt one of their sister companies?
 
This issue sickens me.

UBL is dead. The photo would add fuel to the fire. If UBL were alive, don't you think there'd be a video by now?

Don't release the photo.

Fin.
 
This issue sickens me.

UBL is dead. The photo would add fuel to the fire. If UBL were alive, don't you think there'd be a video by now?

Don't release the photo.

Fin.

God forbid he get a trial where the nature of his dealings with the CIA can be discovered, where he can be prosecuted on ALL counts so those victims could get proper justice... now (assuming there's even a grain of truth in the MSM narrative that keeps changing), not being there I couldn't say whether it was necessary to kill him on sight or not... but the point is that in a trial evidence can come out, and those that dealt with OBL from the US may be ALSO implicated on charges too...

But even then I suppose he'd have been privy to a sham trial where he gets found guilty and executed before facing all charges.
 
Once upon a time, thousands of years ago, there were two neighboring tribes who looked upon a small heard of animals. The winter was setting in and they realized there would not be enough for both tribes. They had no reason to fight each other, no incentive, except this winter posed a threat to everyone's life. Both tribes looked upon their women and children and could not stand the idea of their own children suffering. Both tribes had a sense a sense of decency, and could not bring themselves to just kill the others and take control of the heard. So, leaders on both sides created religion, in hopes to manifest a hatred for the other tribe, so a war could begin. But this wasn't enough, because at the heart of each teaching, was their human nature, peace. Then, one leader got an idea. He hatched a plan that it would be better for a few of to die than all, so we must make a sacrifice to get total control of the heard. In the night an attack upon themselves was made and then blamed upon the other tribe. The tribe become so infuriated at such an atrocity they attacked the other tribe and killed all men, women and children dead. That tribe barely survived the winter, but made it. There was speculation, conspiracy due to some of the evidence, but many new it's better not to question such things. There was rumor than one man may have survived. A group of warriors was sent out into the woods, and returned saying they had found this man and killed him. The had brought a rock back with the last warriors face etched on it. The rock was given to their leader. He looked at it and said, I will not show this to my people, perhaps it will raise the ghosts of the dead back to haunt us. This is a historical metaphor that has happened more times than you know.
 
Once upon a time, thousands of years ago, there were two neighboring tribes who looked upon a small heard of animals. The winter was setting in and they realized there would not be enough for both tribes. They had no reason to fight each other, no incentive, except this winter posed a threat to everyone's life. Both tribes looked upon their women and children and could not stand the idea of their own children suffering. Both tribes had a sense a sense of decency, and could not bring themselves to just kill the others and take control of the heard. So, leaders on both sides created religion, in hopes to manifest a hatred for the other tribe, so a war could begin. But this wasn't enough, because at the heart of each teaching, was their human nature, peace. Then, one leader got an idea. He hatched a plan that it would be better for a few of to die than all, so we must make a sacrifice to get total control of the heard. In the night an attack upon themselves was made and then blamed upon the other tribe. The tribe become so infuriated at such an atrocity they attacked the other tribe and killed all men, women and children dead. That tribe barely survived the winter, but made it. There was speculation, conspiracy due to some of the evidence, but many new it's better not to question such things. There was rumor than one man may have survived. A group of warriors was sent out into the woods, and returned saying they had found this man and killed him. The had brought a rock back with the last warriors face etched on it. The rock was given to their leader. He looked at it and said, I will not show this to my people, perhaps it will raise the ghosts of the dead back to haunt us. This is a historical metaphor that has happened more times than you know.

Did you type this yourself, empireofreason? Firstly, your grammar and spelling require editing. Secondly, this post contains much unproven belief. Thirdly, UBL is dead. If you made this post to insinuate otherwise, you would be wrong.
 
God forbid he get a trial where the nature of his dealings with the CIA can be discovered, where he can be prosecuted on ALL counts so those victims could get proper justice... now (assuming there's even a grain of truth in the MSM narrative that keeps changing), not being there I couldn't say whether it was necessary to kill him on sight or not... but the point is that in a trial evidence can come out, and those that dealt with OBL from the US may be ALSO implicated on charges too...

But even then I suppose he'd have been privy to a sham trial where he gets found guilty and executed before facing all charges.

The only issue I speak of is whether or not UBL is dead.
 
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