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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did I say that? No. I ony corrected the notion that Obama moved on UBL, "ASAP".

    I understand far more than you do, how the train-up to this operation was a mother****er, so don't start with the pitty party.
    Oh please....you know EXACTLY what you were saying...if you "understand far more" than I do and how the "train-up to this operation was a mother****er"..then maybe you would understand perhaps....just perhaps.....when they acted.....it was ASAP.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually we are finding out that he took a while to make the decision - and canked an earlier mission to do so. but still, at the end of the day, he did make the right call. he's just not a guy who has the ability to make big decisions quickly.
    Really? SO taking the first option is always preferable to waiting for the best option to present itself?

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    another example of the ODS crowd.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Too late, he's goimg there to lay a wreath....


    By the way in an ironic twist of fate. Guess who may be going to nyc today.

    Lay a wreath... how is that about him?

    According to this article, he is going to break bread with at a firehouse where 12 men were killed, and thank them for their service.

    He doesn't even plan on speaking.

    He is there, not to talk... how is that about him?

    He'll also be meeting privately with survivors and family members, and the article quotes one family member as being thankful of his visit.

    I said I'd wait to judge until I see what he does, and so far, I'd say he is being respectful and not being inappropriate or there to gloat. I understand he might be opening some wounds by reminding people about 9/11, because it's not 9/11, but that isn't his fault.... as I have always said, the survivors and family members are a diverse bunch. You can't paint them all with a broad brush. He didn't wait until 9/11 to kill bin Laden, so I don't see his visit as inappropriate, and I don't think he is there gloating.

    By noon, Obama should be at Ground Zero.

    There will be no triumphal speech about dispatching Navy SEALs to slay the dragon who brought down the twin towers.

    This visit, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, is "to help New Yorkers and Americans everywhere to achieve a sense of closure."

    "The president believes it's appropriate and fitting to travel to New York this week in the wake of the successful mission to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice," Carney said.

    Obama is here to "recognize the terrible loss that New York suffered on 9/11, and to acknowledge the burden that families of the victims and the loved ones of the victims have been carrying with them since 9/11," he said.

    So rather than speak, Obama will solemnly lay a wreath in memory of the thousands who died in the Sept. 11 attacks - with most TV networks carrying the ceremony live.

    Obama will then meet privately with still-grieving mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and spouses gathered in the crucible of America's pain.

    "This visit is about thanking and I just want to thank him," Charles Wolf, whose wife Katherine was killed in the terror attack, and who will be meeting Obama for the first time, told MSNBC.

    "This was a really gutsy decision that he did. I think it was the turning point of his presidency."

    Obama has carved out three hours at Ground Zero. He will be joined there by New York Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, and Mayor Bloomberg and Gov. Cuomo.

    He has also invited Rudy Giuliani and George Pataki, who were the mayor and governor during those dark days, sources said.

    Read more: President Obama heads to Ground Zero to mark death of Osama Bin Laden

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    There is a thread for political cartoons... I can't help but notice this is like the 5th or 6th one you have posted in the thread, and some were repeats.

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He would have been political suicide, if UBL slipped away.



    Collecting intel, building an ultra-realistic mock-up of the compound, running the mission and the contingencies over and over and ****ing over. I know all to well why it took this long. But, let's don't act as if Obama got the intel and reacted immediately. Afterall, he did have to sleep on it the other night. That doesn't exactly bode decisiveness.
    I'd say he did it responsibly given the outcome... perhaps it was ASAP as far as he could do it fast and do it right.

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    He just made a small speech at the firehouse, but he mostly thanked the firefighters for their service to the community. He didn't make any arrogant statements about himself.

    I guess he isn't giving a speech at ground zero, but he is just going to lay a wreath.


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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Really? SO taking the first option is always preferable to waiting for the best option to present itself?
    it was the exact same option set both times. look, again, he made the right call this time - good on him. but this is still the guy who takes a long time to come to a decision.


    however, to address your question; yes, actually, in a military conflict it is usually better to aggressively pursue the sorta-good plan that you have today than to wait and hope for better options to arrive tomorrow.
    Last edited by cpwill; 05-05-11 at 02:34 PM.

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    Re: Bush declines Obama invitation to go to ground zero

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh please....you know EXACTLY what you were saying...if you "understand far more" than I do and how the "train-up to this operation was a mother****er"..then maybe you would understand perhaps....just perhaps.....when they acted.....it was ASAP.
    ASAP was meant to sound as if all this was decided upon, planned and executed in a matter of a few days. That's not the case.

    If it was so ASAP, then why did Obama have to sleep on it?

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