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Americans Blame Wasteful Government Spending for Deficit

No... you went out and gave away money you did not have.. tax cuts, and 2 wars.. your logic is flawed, not to mention quite childish.

Yep, sounds like the Democratic Congress, Obama, and the EU doesn't it ????

Actually that is only partly correct. There was also surpluses under Clinton. Point is, most deficits were relatively minor until Reagan and Bush Jr. The US debt only started to explode under Reagan and especially under Bush Jr.

If you had actually read what I posted, you would have noticed that I acknowledged the surpluses under Clinton courtesy of the Republican Congress.

So live on the street, starve and freeze to death is your solution to the problem?

Wow, you really do have some issue with reading comprehension today don't you ??? Perhaps you could point out where I said that ???
 
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Everybody wants the govt to spend less of our money, few want to give the govt more money. This is a non partisan issue. The difference is that many Democrats see society as a communal project while many Republicans don't.
 
on march one, the GOVT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE reported an entire HALF TRILLION DOLLARS of waste, fraud and abuse in govt spending

GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

what's more, "most," according to gao, came in "fiscal years 2009 to 2010 and moving forward"

also, "most programs," finds gao, have never been "reviewed for their effectiveness"

and some feel compelled to define waste?

too abstruse, abraham

NO MORE MONEY FOR MANAGERS SO MOROSE
 
Medicare and SS are aimed at alleviating poverty among the elderly, not eliminating it. If we wanted to eliminate poverty, we'd need to get all Finland up in here.

That was the original intent of the Great Society programs.

And it has been for some years. But before that, for decades, SS/Medicare took in more than they spent to build up a large surplus that is still being cut into. SS/Medicare are in deficit but they do not add to the national debt because the programs still run a surplus and will continue to do so for a couple decades.

It was never supposed to go into deficit, and the spending projections were way off. The funds were raided for the general fund many times over the years. The fact that it is eventually going to get a deficit is a problem.

Cite or it didn't happen.

Hauser's Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Non sequitur. "There were already ways to evade taxes, and therefore reducing tax rates didn't actually reduce tax rates!" is a stupid argument, as reducing the tax rates did not in fact get rid of the tax loopholes - and now the wealthy both exploit loopholes and pay low tax rates in order to, effectively, pay lower rates than many of us non-rich.

It's not a non-sequitur, you just don't understand the history. When those tax cuts happened in the 80s, Reagan got the Democrats to go along with it by agreeing to end all of the tax deductions that were there when the highest marginal tax rate was about 70%. The result was that the effective tax rate did not change much.

Seeing the massive impact on government revenues the comparatively small Bush tax cuts have had, I don't believe you for a second.

Hauser's Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Current taxation levels are well below the appx. 20% of GDP mark. We could raise taxes by 33% across the board (or, alternately, raise it on the wealthy to an appropriate level) and expect it to have an impact, even if we take Hauser's Law as fact, which is a generous assumption.

It's not a generous assumption. European countries have much higher tax rates than the US, but get about the same fraction of revenue/GDP.
 
nope.....we cannot get ourselves out without raises taxes. wrong, wrong and wrong.

Wrong. Raising taxes in an economy like this would be suicide. We can get out by drastically reducing spending which is something most politicians are not willing to do.
 
If all you are relying on is Wikipedia as a credible source, then you should reexamine YOUR position.

Since you obviously didn't read the article, perhaps you should have noted the multiple external citations explaining what the Wikipedia article says.

Wikipedia articles are externally cited, you see.

Would you prefer I simply cited each of them to you directly so that you could read all of them? Or are you capable of clicking on a link and reading them yourself?


SS deficits don't add to the national debt, as your story notes, because it draws upon a fund.

A raise in the SS payroll tax cap would easily cover SS' continued operation indefinitely.

on march one, the GOVT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE reported an entire HALF TRILLION DOLLARS of waste, fraud and abuse in govt spending
It's clear you never read the report. Don't worry, I got it for you.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11318sp.pdf

Take a look at the items. None of them are, "We need to cut entitlements." A whole lot are, "If we restructure bureaucracy X, we can eliminate unnecessary duplication of work." Some _big_ ones concern the DoD.

It's not a non-sequitur, you just don't understand the history. When those tax cuts happened in the 80s, Reagan got the Democrats to go along with it by agreeing to end all of the tax deductions that were there when the highest marginal tax rate was about 70%. The result was that the effective tax rate did not change much.
And then they reinstated them, which was very clever on the part of the conservatives. It's clear that, in retrospect, dropping the tax rate was a very bad idea.

From that article:
The thing you just linked said:
However, 2009 tax collections, at 15% of GDP, were the lowest level of the past 50 years and 4.5 percentage points lower than Hauser's Law suggests. The Heritage Foundation has stated that the recent world economic recession pushed receipts to a level significantly below the historical average.
Also, kind of silly that conservatives excuse a law that supposedly links a major economic metric with taxes, with what is essentially the underperformance of that metric.

It's not a generous assumption. European countries have much higher tax rates than the US, but get about the same fraction of revenue/GDP.

You clearly never actually looked at the linked list of List of countries by tax revenue as percentage of GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because you're wrong and in fact, Hauser's Law is very clearly not the case in practice, and is total bunk. Seriously, Brazil has massively higher tax by GDP than we do. Brazil!

Is it so much to ask for people on the internet to do their homework on what we're talking about? I mean, it's the internet, this information is all freely available to anyone who knows how to work google a bit.
 
And then they reinstated them, which was very clever on the part of the conservatives. It's clear that, in retrospect, dropping the tax rate was a very bad idea.

effectivetaxrates.jpg


I'll accept your concession on that point now. Effective tax rates remained the same.

From that article:

You know what happened in 2009? Government spending as a percentage of GDP skyrocketed. Government doesn't tax itself, so of course revenue/GDP would fall. :)

Also, kind of silly that conservatives excuse a law that supposedly links a major economic metric with taxes, with what is essentially the underperformance of that metric.

What are you talking about?

You clearly never actually looked at the linked list of List of countries by tax revenue as percentage of GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because you're wrong and in fact, Hauser's Law is very clearly not the case in practice, and is total bunk. Seriously, Brazil has massively higher tax by GDP than we do. Brazil!

Is it so much to ask for people on the internet to do their homework on what we're talking about? I mean, it's the internet, this information is all freely available to anyone who knows how to work google a bit.

And guess what causes the difference. Are those countries spending more as a percentage of GDP? Think that has an effect on the ratio? Either way, raising taxes to balance the budget is a horrible idea. We want growth. Higher taxes suck away capital for investment and decrease growth. There is no way around that fact.
 
Take a look at the items. None of them are, "We need to cut entitlements."

get real

barack the slasher himself bet his entire obamacare on selling the american people on the idea that his PRIME PAYFOR for this massive expansion of medicare and medicaid enrollment could be accomplished by rooting out wfa

Obama urges healthcare reform paid for by boosting efficiencies | Healthcare IT News

what a joke

teddy the lion kennedy musta been awful dumb, devoting an entire career to universal health care, and yet failing to find the hundreds of billions to do it which, it turns out, were all that time buried not very deep under the sofa cushions in the green room

the gao accounted a HALF TRILLION dollars went pfft ("most of it in 2009 to 2010 and moving forward")

NO MORE MONEY FOR MANAGERS SO MOROSE

meanwhile, the big 3 federal programs (as well as state pensions) will simply not exist in their present forms if fundamental reform of their budgets is not undertaken now

it's been seven hundred and FOUR days now since the united states senate produced a budget

why?

hurry up, harry
 
vote obama, 2012!

brazil pays 39% of gdp in taxes!

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
Sure people have. Those who aren't as rigid as all that say that taxes should be raised and defense spending cut. That's just great, raise taxes to hurt the recovery ...

Tax increases will not necessarily hurt the economy. The proposed tax increases are suggested for high income taxpayers who generally aren't spending the money they would pay in taxes. Tax increases would put the money into the economy.
 
We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. Our spending problem is we spend twice as much a year as we can afford. Our spending problem is that the federal government represents 25% of GDP, with only 8% of employment.

this is precisely correct. spending has exploded and deficits have skyrocketed even as revenues have climbed over the past decade. those who think we can tax our way out of this hole at all are deluding themselves.
 
the bowles simpson commission would claim that they are planning a small one - slightly larger than repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
this is precisely correct. spending has exploded and deficits have skyrocketed even as revenues have climbed over the past decade. those who think we can tax our way out of this hole at all are deluding themselves.

What hole would that be? A deficit of any size or a deficit of a size you can demogogue?
 
there's not enough money in the galaxy to make our big 3 federal programs and state pensions whole

if something isn't done imminently to reform em, they won't be there for future generations

get real

meanwhile, harry sits
 
You're wrong.

We have a revenue problem not a spending problem.

on the contrary. we have no prayer whatsoever of ever having enough revenue to meet our spending. if we were to confiscate 100% of income earned by everyone making $100K and over, we would still not have enough to solve this years' deficit; to say nothing of the coming explosion in the liabilities. all such a confiscation program would do would be to wreck the economy.

What hole would that be? A deficit of any size or a deficit of a size you can demogogue?

any deficit by it's nature is a hole. however, the hole I am talking about is the roughly $130 trillion that this country has promised to pay..... that we don't have. that is about twice the current worth of the world.

that hole.

so, if someone tells you it can be solved by repealing the bush tax cuts for the rich - with the paltry best-case-scenario $80bn it would bring in..... then they are either lying to you, or they are an idiot.
 
He says that tax cuts are good, and you slam him for that.

posting a link and making no comment is slamming someone?

LOL!

grow up

the point is---taxes are OFF THE TABLE

the slasher SURRENDERED

it happened during LAME DUCK

he had FIFTY NINE senators and TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE in the house

have you met mr cuomo?

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

mr moonbeam?

Jerry Brown Signs $10 Billion Budget Cuts

Jerry Brown Abandons Ballot Initiative For Taxes | The Weekly News Roundup | East Bay Express

there's your table, deal with it
 
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