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LOL He's just a speech writer.
LOL! I know, but it has been suggested that watching the video is going to transform him into a CIA official?
LOL He's just a speech writer.
Yo didn't view the link either, did you?
I think protecting ourself and wiping out the terrorist that have killed Americans is a good thing. I refuse to support terrorist and will never go out of my way to defend them. In my world they do not deserve respect nor rights. What they deserve is DEATH. If that makes me someone that is not full of warm and fuzzy so called American "values" to you and others? Oh frigging well. I can live with it
Does viewing the link transform him into a CIA official?
Wrong, conservatives have made it seem that the name of the courier was extracted.no, all accounts make that claim
ksm became the "preeminent source," he conducted "terrorist tutorials," according to cia's ig report as released by holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009, as reported by wapo
ksm became an "unparalleled source," helped build a network of 70 names, cluing langley in to aq's methods and mindsets
operatives were rounded up, they were "leveraged" and "cross referenced," using info ksm and others provided
it took years to track down the leads, the key break didn't come for 4 years until a phone call to al kuwaiti was monitored
Nobody is claiming that Obama should take credit for the CIA's work or the SEALS bravery.this mission wasn't accomplished by bush or obama, it was made possible by years of legwork and 40 minutes of heroism
Bush wasn't concerned about Bin Laden and made it very clear. It has been pronounced that torture had nothing to do with the information that finally led them to Bin Laden and the information, no matter how compelling would not have been of any use if Obama had not decided to risk going after him. So, no, Bush doesn't deserve any credit. Obama, the CIA and the brave SEALS deserve all the credit.tho both presidents deserve credit for the policies they put in place or left there which made it all happen
Correct.and the current occupant earns his due for having the guts to make the call
You made a statement thanking "Obama for not dismantling the methods of his predecessor". Sounded like you were claiming that water boarding was still being done, why I made the statement.it wasn't, it isn't, only 3 were waterboarded, zebaydah, ksm and al nashiri, tho ghul and libi were eit'd
Many are not factual, just repeated stories initiated by those that want to give Bush some credit for something that didn't have anything to do with the information gained.all but nashiri provided crucial leads that allowed us to get ubl
but eit's are only part of the story---detention, the maintenance of gitmo, aspects of the patriot act (warrantless wiretapping)---also contributed to this assassination
What questions. I didn't ask any questions, just suggested that water boarding was no longer done in response to your statement thanking Obama for not dismantling the methods of his predecessor. You must have gotten your wires crossed.your questions have been answered a dozen times on this thread, read the links
And John McCain is a CIA official?
While McCain said
"The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda", the fact is that all three 'detainees' were held and waterboarded in another country, probably in Eastern Europe.
of course, that was all before he resorted to assassination
These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques.
"KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department.
The evidence is clear: Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.
"Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," [CIA Inspector General John Helgerson] said in an interview. Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad.
"Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of whom we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary. Mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al-Qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, the summary said, including describing in "considerable detail the traits and profiles" that al-Qaeda sought in Western operatives and how the terrorist organization might conduct surveillance in the United States.
Is this supposed to be the latest attack - calling it assassination?
Did you check the date on the article you linked?
your link is the url to the last page and I couldn't get to the first page from there
yes, august 29, 2009
because the cia's ig report was RELEASED BY HOLDER'S DEPT on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009
yes, i accidentally linked to page 3 of wapo's story
it was the article about the ig's report RELEASED BY DOJ on the monday preceding aug 29
the one that, according to the ig, ENDORSED BY HOLDER, declares unequivocally that ksm underwent "transformation," "reversal" in the month after his capture only after "his spirit was broken" by very severe eit's
at which point he "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent," conducted "terrorist tutorials," became langley's "preeminent source," allowing our agents to "round up operatives" and "leverage and cross reference..."
"waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
those are the ig's words, plain as a pane
as released by eric holder's doj
Perhaps you should offer a link to the words you attribute to McCain, so we can check and make sure McCain said them? Seems like McCain is calling out the lies being made by the Republicans who want to take some credit!
You would consider dropping bombs on a compound as equal to shooting an unarmed man? You make leaps I'm not willing to make.
It will be difficult to ascertain the truth, because Holder is now saying he doesn't know, and Rumsfeld, who at first said torture didn't play a part is now claiming that it did. I, for one, am tired of beating this dead horse!
Rumsfeld never said torture did not play a part. You are misinterpreting with what he said. Rumsfeld was certainly in a position to know. Much more so than John McClain.
Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught
Posted by Ingrid Turner on Apr 25, 2011
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (NEWSTABULOUS) – According to news reported by WikiLeaks, threats have been received from al-Qaeda terrorists, stating that they will “unleash a nuclear hellstorm” upon Western countries if Osama bin Laden is ever caught or killed.
Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught | Newstabulous - Headlines
WikiLeaks: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons
Author: ICWN | Monday, April 25th, 2011
The militant group al-Qaeda claims to have nuclear weapons and did not hesitate to use them if their leader, Osama bin Laden captured or killed by the United States. Not yet known exactly where al-Qaeda’s nuclear weapons are stored, but are found in Europe.
WikiLeaks: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons
true, bombing you could kill an innocent person
AQ is a terror org that attacked us unprovoked. Now you may wish to support them through covering that up as in redefining them as some quasi political entity. It doesn't mean they are.
Sorry dude, you are spinning here....Our own IRS defines a "political org" as follows:
Please try if you can and explain how AQ fits this criteria in your eyes.
You'll excuse me if I disagree.
I don't think you do Joe.
You believe this country ignoble, and engaged in illegal activity, to the extent that rather than exercise our sovereignty, we should beg UN approval for ever increasing functions that are solely in our own interests.
You certainly do have a flair for exaggeration.
j-mac
Largely I agree with you here
though the word provoked is subject to a difference of opinion. If they didn't feel provoked in some way, they likely would have focused some place else. That doesn't excuse there action on any way, but remember, others often hold different views and see things differently.
So, you're saying AQ doesn't try to influence government policy?
They try to influence government policy.
You're free to do so.
J, do you think true matters? Or must your national ego be so stroked that you never look honestly at any action? No said anything about begging the UN. See how your lack of national exteem leads you to hyperbole.
We signed agreements, some call that law, and we acted as if our word meant nothing. And we did not act in our interests. Frankly, we acted contrary to our interests, hurting ourselfs more than helping. Spent billions, killed thousands upon thousands, and all for very little that helps us in anyway. Infact, compared to how much it helped our enemies and hurt our reputation, we can't really call the entire thing as anything more than a loss as far as our interests go.
Says someone who goes with socialism and death panels.
Just a question. Are we to conduct actions we take around the world based on what radical nut job we might offend? Because I don't think that would work out too well for us.
Islam is a religious political structure. That question has no right answer.
Just as much as what they are trying to do has ramifications in the interests of caliphate, as it does effecting policy.
:bs I am growing tired of your projection here. If ANYONE has a poor national esteem it is you.
Your hyperbolic rant has little to do with anything other than your own opinion. Which BTW, you are allowed to hold, no matter how wrong it is.
More jack assery I see. Get back to me when you can have a real discussion.
j-mac
Those who have a strong sense of self don't turn away from the hard question, can face the truth even when it isn't flattering
Those familiar with the CIA’s interrogations say there is no way we could have gotten KSM to talk without waterboarding. Former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has said, “No. You can say that absolutely. He would not have talked to us in a hundred years. Tough guy. Absolutely committed. He had this mental image of himself as a warrior and a martyr. No way he would talk to us.” A high-ranking CIA official told me, “Everyone will tell you, even people opposed to the program, that [KSM] was not going to talk otherwise. I mean, this was one tough mother. He would get waterboarded and they would watch his fingers because he’d figured out how long it was going to last, and he’d just count on his hands how long he had to hold out. I mean, that is tough. For a psychotic, you’ve got to give the guy his props. And he was going to break by Starsky and Hutch interrogation techniques?”
good point
can you imagine how eric holder must have felt when he ENDORSED the words of the ig: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
it all comes down to character, sydney