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Osama Bin Laden is dead

mertex said:
I didn't find Marc Thiessen's name in the list of CIA officials.

Would you please give me a link to Marc Thiessen's knowledge and involvement with the CIA.
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LOL He's just a speech writer.
 
ric27 said:
I'm gonna sway towards Boo's dark side for a sec...but just for a sec

Do you think national revenge, support of torture and indescriminate killing are American values?
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I think protecting ourself and wiping out the terrorist that have killed Americans is a good thing. I refuse to support terrorist and will never go out of my way to defend them. In my world they do not deserve respect nor rights. What they deserve is DEATH. If that makes me someone that is not full of warm and fuzzy so called American "values" to you and others? Oh frigging well. I can live with it:)
 
SE102 said:
:prof Yes actually, now I do.
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It shows these terrorist that we are not to be messed with and this is the way it should be. Not looking like little *****punks by giving a crap about the rights of of the likes of Bin Laden.
 
Kali said:
It shows these terrorist that we are not to be messed with and this is the way it should be. Not looking like little *****punks by giving a crap about the rights of of the likes of Bin Laden.
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ric27 said:
Lol...you make it sound like we cut heads off our captives. A little stress and duress here and there...is what we use
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Which is what they would do to all of us if given the chance. Excuse the hell out of me if I am not gonna cry over a few asswipes getting waterboarded. lol.
 
mertex said:
Most accounts claim that the name supplied by KSM was just a nickname, not a real name
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no, all accounts make that claim

that alone would not have been of much use unless it was associated with other information gathered through the years
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ksm became the "preeminent source," he conducted "terrorist tutorials," according to cia's ig report as released by holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009, as reported by wapo

ksm became an "unparalleled source," helped build a network of 70 names, cluing langley in to aq's methods and mindsets

operatives were rounded up, they were "leveraged" and "cross referenced," using info ksm and others provided

If credit is to be given to Bush for his "torture" techniques in gathering such information, shouldn't we question why he didn't do anything with the information
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it took years to track down the leads, the key break didn't come for 4 years until a phone call to al kuwaiti was monitored

this mission wasn't accomplished by bush or obama, it was made possible by years of legwork and 40 minutes of heroism

tho both presidents deserve credit for the policies they put in place or left there which made it all happen

and the current occupant earns his due for having the guts to make the call

I understood water boarding was no longer used
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it wasn't, it isn't, only 3 were waterboarded, zebaydah, ksm and al nashiri, tho ghul and libi were eit'd

all but nashiri provided crucial leads that allowed us to get ubl

but eit's are only part of the story---detention, the maintenance of gitmo, aspects of the patriot act (warrantless wiretapping)---also contributed to this assassination

your questions have been answered a dozen times on this thread, read the links
 
Kali said:
I think protecting ourself and wiping out the terrorist that have killed Americans is a good thing. I refuse to support terrorist and will never go out of my way to defend them. In my world they do not deserve respect nor rights. What they deserve is DEATH. If that makes me someone that is not full of warm and fuzzy so called American "values" to you and others? Oh frigging well. I can live with it:)
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Buuuuuuuuuttt....Aren't we better than they are? Don't you believe in our legal system?

Don't you believe that Justice can end with the death of the terrorists but we should ensure we are doing it right and bring them to the bar of justice without resorting to their tactics???
 
ric27 said:
Buuuuuuuuuttt....Aren't we better than they are? Don't you believe in our legal system?

Don't you believe that Justice can end with the death of the terrorists but we should ensure we are doing it right and bring them to the bar of justice without resorting to their tactics???
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their tactics involves killing innocent people be it journalists getting their heads sawn off to innocent airline passengers being murdered.

OBL was a hostile combatant

frankly I like another poster's suggestion that OBL should have been taken alive
put in a glass box in Times square with his gnads wire up and anyone willing to make a five dollar donation to the victims of OBL's terrorism could hit a button and send a rather nasty cattle prod level shock to OBL's sensitive parts
 
ric27 said:
Buuuuuuuuuttt....Aren't we better than they are? Don't you believe in our legal system?

Don't you believe that Justice can end with the death of the terrorists but we should ensure we are doing it right and bring them to the bar of justice without resorting to their tactics???
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Is this sarcasm? I hope so. Anyways as I have said: OBL was a direct threat armed or unarmed. What is so damn hard for people to understand about this? None of his silly little "rights" were violated. Those that think so need to get the hell over it, suck it up and deal. :roll:

Again: Bin Laden was a direct threat to all of us and we did what should have been done. Period.

BTW, I thought Obama did a very good interview w/ 60 Minutes. He is a wonderful leader. :cool:
 
ric27 said:
Buuuuuuuuuttt....Aren't we better than they are? Don't you believe in our legal system?

Don't you believe that Justice can end with the death of the terrorists but we should ensure we are doing it right and bring them to the bar of justice without resorting to their tactics???
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All civilized laws to which advanced nations aspired and agreed to were made with the understanding that certain rules applied and that the punishment for breaking these rules would be death and dishonor for the participants and the nations that broke them.

Now Islamic terrorists are not only breaking these rules that have attempted to bring some civility to the nastiness of war, they are glorifying and celebrating the death and destruction of innocent people and the rules of any civilized society.

The Geneva Convention, Marquis of Queensbury rules, and any number of understandable principals were satisfactory when all people with a sense of decency followed them but terrorists have ignored these laws of humanity and should be treated in kind. It does no good to explain the rules to thugs waiting for innocent people in a dark alley. All means of eradicating this international disease must be used, and the simple process of waterboarding should be among our many available options.
 
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Kali said:
Why do you wish to defend terrorist? Rule of Law? The USA did nothing illegal so suck it up buster!
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Innocent people we subjected to torture, and at least one died. Rule of law protects the innocent. That's why we often give punishment after conviction. When we forget thereasons for rule of law, we often allow innocnet people to be abused.
 
rule of law---detention, rendition, gitmo, wiretapping...

credit goes to barack the slasher for NOT dismantling the anti terror tactics of his predecessor, allowing our agents and seals to get ubl
 
The Prof said:
rule of law---detention, rendition, gitmo, wiretapping...

credit goes to barack the slasher for NOT dismantling the anti terror tactics of his predecessor, allowing our agents and seals to get ubl
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President Bush gave up looking for bin Laden, it was only by President Obama commitment and good hard detective work by the CIA that we got him.
 
pbrauer said:
President Bush gave up looking for bin Laden, it was only by President Obama commitment and good hard detective work by the CIA that we got him.
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i don't think bush stopped looking for osama. i think he stopped TALKING about looking for osama.
 
liblady said:
i don't think bush stopped looking for osama. i think he stopped TALKING about looking for osama.
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That's likely true. He would have loved to have caught him, I'm sure.
 
pbrauer said:
President Bush gave up looking for bin Laden, it was only by President Obama commitment and good hard detective work by the CIA that we got him.
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...and unilaterally violating a country's sovereignty in order to achieve that.....You have no problems with that, eh?

Do you think, your excellence (Obama) would have done the same in ....lets say, China, Iran, Venezuela, NK etc to get UBL????
 
Boo Radley said:
Innocent people we subjected to torture, and at least one died. Rule of law protects the innocent. That's why we often give punishment after conviction. When we forget thereasons for rule of law, we often allow innocnet people to be abused.
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Maybe you could clairify whom the innocent people were that we "tortured"? Because the people I have heard interviewed concerning this intel on OBL all speak about the actual waterboarding having a hand in 'breaking' the will to resist talking with our intgerogators, and percipatated an environment where they could talk with honor (how ever strange that sounds) to our people under standard interview processes. For example, it is reported that KSM asked that we subject all 'brothers' to that process so that they could cooperate with honor.

So, now that Obama has stopped anything short of the Army field manual in terms of questioning AQ detainees, IMHO it would have served NO purpose to have brought in OBL alive. There is nothing we could do today to get intel out of him thanks to Obama neutering us.

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pbrauer said:
good hard detective work by the CIA that we got him.
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yup, and it took years

and it couldn't have been accomplished without detention, the maintenance of gitmo, wiretapping and eit's

credit goes to two presidents for putting in place and leaving in place the anti terror methodologies that resulted in this assassination
 
The Prof said:
where'd you get that?

whitehouse.gov?

or jon stewart?

LOL!
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I am sure that President would have loved to kill OBL, however he had just a few more things on his mind, like fighting wars, here, and abroad.

j-mac
 
The Prof said:
yup, and it took years

and it couldn't have been accomplished without detention, the maintenance of gitmo, wiretapping and eit's

credit goes to two presidents for putting in place and leaving in place the anti terror methodologies that resulted in this assassination
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You have no PROOF of those assurtions.
 
pbrauer said:
You have no PROOF of those assurtions.
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only the ig report released by holder in august, 2009

and multi media accounts of the leveraging and cross referencing of detainees at gitmo and secret prisons in eastern europe

and the wiretap that uncovered the phone call to al kuwaiti, the courier

hey, don't belly slap ksm

but, by all means, ASSASSINATE his boss

thank you, president slasher, for NOT dismantling the anti terror policies of your predecessor, allowing our agents and seals to get ubl

a great accomplishment, all the way around
 
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