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Osama Bin Laden is dead

The above is meaningless partisan noise.

Ignoring threats gets people killed.
Had Osama been taken in Somalia we may have a far different international environment; one where kids aren't getting their genetalia fondled by TSA agents.

Modern Libs are dangerous because of the Boo Radley Mentality that permeates them and their propaganda arms.
You should go read Herb Cohen's docs on handling terrorists and dealing with them.

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Yeah, I do, with all the witnesses available, and the dna, the pictures, and so on, yes, i do believe it would be enough. now, if you come up with some reason to dioubt all of it, present it. But overall, so far, I see no reason to leap off the cliff.

there is some confusion, it is not me saying laden is dead, it is me saying where the body is. so it is you to prove he is dead , not me, ok? i prefer being skeptical to being naive .
 
Yeah, I do, with all the witnesses available, and the dna, the pictures, and so on, yes, i do believe it would be enough. now, if you come up with some reason to dioubt all of it, present it. But overall, so far, I see no reason to leap off the cliff.

There are no witnesses available. There is no way to prove DNA was taken from the body. So far there are no pictures. The reasons to doubt the story is because there has been changes in the story. But there's little doubt that the American people want to believe that Bin Laden was captured and is dead. There is really no reason why they should at this time.
 
There are no witnesses available. There is no way to prove DNA was taken from the body. So far there are no pictures. The reasons to doubt the story is because there has been changes in the story. But there's little doubt that the American people want to believe that Bin Laden was captured and is dead. There is really no reason why they should at this time.

Were not those there wittnesses? I think like birthers and truthers, you guys are reaching a bit.
 
there is some confusion, it is not me saying laden is dead, it is me saying where the body is. so it is you to prove he is dead , not me, ok? i prefer being skeptical to being naive .

There is actually a positive to being naive, but that's another thread. I'm not convinced you would accept any evidence. What would it take?
 
Are Americans allowed to view Al Jazeera (english)? If so then that is a good place to start following the story. It will lead you to more links on the story and some more reasons to doubt the official story.
 
Are Americans allowed to view Al Jazeera (english)? If so then that is a good place to start following the story. It will lead you to more links on the story and some more reasons to doubt the official story.

Not sure that is the best soruce. Seriously.
 
Bin Laden was captured alive. Or was not captured at all but was declared captured and killed to put the matter to rest... If the truth is that he was captured alive then pictures of him drugged unconscious will be produced with him made up to look dead. It will be quite easy to fake... There is only one reason to skew the facts of this drama. There can be no other legitimate reasons.

If Osama was not killed in that house, then what is this guy going to tell his grandchildren??

Mohammed Asif, who bakes traditional naan bread for five rupees apiece in his simple shop, was delighted he may have cooked bin Laden’s last supper.

“Arshad came and bought seven or eight naans. He used to do that twice a day, in the afternoon and in the evening.

“They were two Pashto brothers, one around 37 and the other 42, very kind people in the neighbourhood,” he said, referring to the Pashtun people of Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan. “They did not look like strangers; when we see a stranger, we notice it.”

Asked how he felt to have been bin Laden’s baker, Asif said: “I’m proud, because he was a hero who challenged America. I will tell my grandchildren that it was not our army that launched an offensive against him, it was the Americans.”
Daily Nation: - World |Neighbours speak well of Osama
 
There is actually a positive to being naive, but that's another thread. I'm not convinced you would accept any evidence. What would it take?

so far i have not seen any evidence you provide, am i wrong?
 
Not sure that is the best soruce (sic)

says the solon who prefers WIK to the cbc, known as the npr of the north

says the chin stroking poser who cites COMEDY CENTRAL

and when it comes to data about teacher retention in new york city, well, who WOULDN'T naturally look to the morning herald in NEW SOUTH WALES

LOL!
 
Were not those there wittnesses? I think like birthers and truthers, you guys are reaching a bit.

First of all we need to determine who was there. Some of Bin Laden's relatives could have been there and were captured. The evidence we get from them would be strictly controlled. The only others there would be the helicopter teams and they will be sworn to secrecy. It's very unlikely that they will ever talk about it. And if they did talk about it, it would only be to confirm the official story. There are no witnesses available that can be trusted at this time. And there is no evidence that can be trusted.

If there is photo evidence forthcoming in the future then we will have to examine the evidence carefully. First, we will have to somehow determine that the body being shown is in fact Bin Laden. Then we will have to determine if it's a body or a drugged and alive person. If this is faked then it's an easy thing to do. This story will develop further over time but the postive thing the US gov has going for it is that it's popular. People like you will accept it for no rational reason other than it's a feel good story. Beware!
 
The fact is, it's the best source there is at the moment. Your reasons for rejecting it are only political.
 
First of all we need to determine who was there. Some of Bin Laden's relatives could have been there and were captured. The evidence we get from them would be strictly controlled. The only others there would be the helicopter teams and they will be sworn to secrecy. It's very unlikely that they will ever talk about it. And if they did talk about it, it would only be to confirm the official story. There are no witnesses available that can be trusted at this time. And there is no evidence that can be trusted.

If there is photo evidence forthcoming in the future then we will have to examine the evidence carefully. First, we will have to somehow determine that the body being shown is in fact Bin Laden. Then we will have to determine if it's a body or a drugged and alive person. If this is faked then it's an easy thing to do. This story will develop further over time but the postive thing the US gov has going for it is that it's popular. People like you will accept it for no rational reason other than it's a feel good story. Beware!

They were there. And if they did not believe they got OBL, it would leak. See the entire Bush administration if you doubt me. Secrets are not as kept as they used to be. And I believe there will be photographic evidence, and it will be examined, and what is now be called proofers will likely do what birthers and truthers have done, and go wild. But, it is much more likley that what happened is exactly what has been reported.
 
Not sure that is the best soruce. Seriously.

Why? They're not American, but they broadcast in English from a relatively independent Arab viewpoint, and they're markedly less biased than Faux, for example.
 
Why? They're not American, but they broadcast in English from a relatively independent Arab viewpoint, and they're markedly less biased than Faux, for example.

That's not really saying much. They've also leap over the edge on a few occassions.
 
Ecofarm, now we are to believe that all the neighbours knew that Osama was living there? If you have rational comments to add that would help the story then produce them. Otherwise your objections come off as only that you want to believe. And they weaken the story more than they strengthen it.

We need to be able to examine the photo evidence. Nothing else will do and it's doubtful whether or not the photo evidence can put it to rest. The problems started when the official story started to change.
 
By going to Al Jazeera people don't have to automatically believe what they read. That would be silly. But they will get some different viewpoints and be awakened to asking more legitimate questions. Assuming that Americans are allowed to view Al Jazeera site. I believe the t.v. network if blacked out in the US.
 
Sorry, the above does not compute. Perhaps with a little time you will understand why.

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Zimm - no offense but I suggest you exhibit an ounce of maturity and take your partisan bull**** elsewhere. You don't know me, you have yet to debate any of my positions on any issue, and have resorted to ad homs and personal insults. You telling me to grow up is like the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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By going to Al Jazeera people don't have to automatically believe what they read. That would be silly. But they will get some different viewpoints and be awakened to asking more legitimate questions. Assuming that Americans are allowed to view Al Jazeera site. I believe the t.v. network if blacked out in the US.

Wrong, it's not blacked out.....we kinda frown on censorship here....
 
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i have written many comments, however, no one has shown any proof laden is dead, interestingly, however, they are happy as if his dead is proven, i really want to immigrate that planet...
 
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They were there. And if they did not believe they got OBL, it would leak. See the entire Bush administration if you doubt me. Secrets are not as kept as they used to be. And I believe there will be photographic evidence, and it will be examined, and what is now be called proofers will likely do what birthers and truthers have done, and go wild. But, it is much more likley that what happened is exactly what has been reported.

You have no reason to think the story would leak from anyone who was there. You don't even know who was there. I think you just want to believe. I'm not a birther but I am a Trig truther if that's what you mean. I have logical beliefs and I can change my mind. I may be able to change my mind on this story but at the moment I can't imagine what kind of solid proof can be furnished. I suppose that I would accept a DNA analysis of the dead body by an independent examiner but that's no longer possible. The US military has now made it virtually impossible in my opinion to ever verify the story. I believe that's how it's been planned and the reasons are quite obvious.

Right now I'm leaning toward thinking that Bin Laden was not taken alive or dead. The purpose of all this was closure for the American people. If a body or live person is produced then I may change my opinion and belief. I may not too but it will be based on a rational choice. I don't "want" it to be one way or another. You people should be taking the same position if you want to be credible at this point in time.
 
Wrong, it's not balcked out.....we kinda frown on censorship here....

Are you sure you're right about that? Al Jazeera shows a message asking for Americans to demand Al Jazeera. Or at least they did? I'll see if I can find it there.
 
Ecofarm, now we are to believe that all the neighbours knew that Osama was living there? If you have rational comments to add that would help the story then produce them. Otherwise your objections come off as only that you want to believe. And they weaken the story more than they strengthen it.

We need to be able to examine the photo evidence. Nothing else will do and it's doubtful whether or not the photo evidence can put it to rest. The problems started when the official story started to change.

Perhaps Osama (Fishbait) bin Laden can make a public appearance and put all these rumors to rest. That should satisfy all the 'deaders'.
 
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