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Osama Bin Laden is dead

Shall you go after Harry for saying the same basic thing Bush was saying?



Bush, and Obama, shouldn't have been overly concerned about Osama from a militaristic or tactical perspective. The man's ability to actually significantly influence things directly has been utterly and completely neutered. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be concerned from a closure stand point of getting him...and I do believe both were. But from a stand point of "concerned" regarding getting him for our safety or because he's dangerous...no, Bush was right and I think Obama likely felt his sentiments. Osama was not someone to be "concerned" about in that way any longer.

No surprise though that you'll take something and attempt to twist its context to suit your partisan needs during a time like this though. Disney never does let a good situation go to waste for partisan slams. It's what hyperpartisans do.

Sorry Zyph....by I for one am not willing to forget that GWB manipulated 911 to pursue a decade old Cheney/Rumsfield nation building agenda...and in the process took his focus off of those who actually attacked us on 911 and spent thousands of US military lives in the process.
I thank God that we have a President that put the focus back where it belonged in the first place.....mission accomplished.
 
Sorry Zyph....by I for one am not willing to forget that GWB manipulated 911 to pursue a decade old Cheney/Rumsfield nation building agenda...and in the process took his focus off of those who actually attacked us on 911 and spent thousands of US military lives in the process.
I thank God that we have a President that put the focus back where it belonged in the first place.....mission accomplished.

DD...are you ****in serious??

1) I don't see how ANYONE benefits from a "nation-building agenda"
2) Birthers have no evidence to back up their positions, yet you've been calling them out as racist. Your position on Bush and 9/11 is equally without merit.
 
It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.

I find your derision disgusting.
 
Really? Your going to tell me how military strategy works? I've devoted years of my life to be trained in this field. Hundreds of hours of study and preparation. And you know more about it than me? Well I need a heart surgeon for my grandma. Do you also know how to do a bypass surgery?

Hey Noob, you can't come here to DP, claim qualifications and experiences that, frankly, we have no way of verifying and then expect instant respect. This has nothing to do with disrespecting the military, we have many, many respected members here who are serving members of the military and many others show these well-known, time-served members all the respect they deserve and have earned. If you want to have your opinions respected, act like a respectable person, debate without resorting to sarcasm and insult and spend some time here getting to know and getting known by the other members.

Just saying.
 
It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.

I don't think anyone is kidding themselves into thinking that it is the death of an ideology. As others have said, I think it brings a sense of peace and closure to the families of the victims of 9/11. Frankly, this should have been done long ago, and it's sad that people had to wait 10 years for this to happen. I'm not pointing fingers at Bush for this either. I think that Obama had a tactical advantage and took it. That being said, please don't buy into the poorly constructed stereotypes of Americans and think that they are foolishly celebrating an end to terrorism or whatever, that clearly isn't the case.
 
I don't think anyone is kidding themselves into thinking that it is the death of an ideology. As others have said, I think it brings a sense of peace and closure to the families of the victims of 9/11. Frankly, this should have been done long ago, and it's sad that people had to wait 10 years for this to happen. I'm not pointing fingers at Bush for this either. I think that Obama had a tactical advantage and took it. That being said, please don't buy into the poorly constructed stereotypes of Americans and think that they are foolishly celebrating an end to terrorism or whatever, that clearly isn't the case.

Just so people know, this operation was YEARS in the making, and the intelligence community was very patient and deliberate in planning this. They, and those SEAL boys deserves a hell of a lot of credit for pulling this off. Again I've said this before but I'm not keen on giving Obama too much credit for this one. He did what he was supposed to do.
 
I don't think anyone is kidding themselves into thinking that it is the death of an ideology. As others have said, I think it brings a sense of peace and closure to the families of the victims of 9/11. Frankly, this should have been done long ago, and it's sad that people had to wait 10 years for this to happen. I'm not pointing fingers at Bush for this either. I think that Obama had a tactical advantage and took it. That being said, please don't buy into the poorly constructed stereotypes of Americans and think that they are foolishly celebrating an end to terrorism or whatever, that clearly isn't the case.

What this does show are a few things from the United States:
1. Tenacity - once the American's get on your trail, they don't let off, even after 10 years
2. Consistancy - Whether it's a Democrat or Republican, or Independent - they'll still sign orders to kill terrorists when we find them.
3. Ability - We can enter a country of 180 Million covertly, strike a terrorist target successfully within 35 miles of their capital and get out with utter secrecy.

All the little Osama fans are having a bad day. It's natural they'll strike out and be mad.
 
DD...are you ****in serious??

1) I don't see how ANYONE benefits from a "nation-building agenda"
2) Birthers have no evidence to back up their positions, yet you've been calling them out as racist. Your position on Bush and 9/11 is equally without merit.

That is absolutely not true...there is ample evidence that Cheney/Rumsfield went to GWB and told him that 911 was the perfect tool to justify an invasion of Iraq...and in the days/weeks after 911, they convinced GWB to advance their plan...a plan that even HWB refused to pursue.
 
Hey Noob, you can't come here to DP, claim qualifications and experiences that, frankly, we have no way of verifying and then expect instant respect.

Can we verify the claims of those who have been here longer any better? People make all sorts of claims about themselves here, and pulling this "Noob" business in order to invalidate one claim vs. any other has no merit.
 
That is absolutely not true...there is ample evidence that Cheney/Rumsfield went to GWB and told him that 911 was the perfect tool to justify an invasion of Iraq...and in the days/weeks after 911, they convinced GWB to advance their plan...a plan that even HWB refused to pursue.

Dude - take it somewhere else please. You're hangup with "Bush Lied People Died" for Iraq is not the subject here. :eek:t
 
That is absolutely not true...there is ample evidence that Cheney/Rumsfield went to GWB and told him that 911 was the perfect tool to justify an invasion of Iraq...and in the days/weeks after 911, they convinced GWB to advance their plan...a plan that even HWB refused to pursue.

Okay, I apologize. I had thought you meant the Bush admin. had an active hand in 9/11. But honestly Iraq is not what this thread is about, and GWB cannot be faulted for not finding Osama during his term (at least he can't be faulted for lack of trying).
 
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This is my first response since the announcement of his death and surprisingly, I'm not feeling what everyone else seems to be.

I don't feel joy, happiness, relief, or like this is an occasion to celebrate, and I'm not really sure why. What I do know is he shouldn't have been able to escape justice for 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, and in that sense I feel like he was the winner, not us. Kind of like "too little, too late." The other thing is, no matter what the man did, something inside of me can't find joy in the death of anyone. I would have much rather seen him captured so he would have to face up to what he did, even though I realize the nightmare that would have caused...

Anyway, I just had to get that out.
 
This is my first response since the announcement of his death and surprisingly, I'm not feeling what everyone else seems to be.

I don't feel joy, happiness, relief, or like this is an occasion to celebrate, and I'm not really sure why. What I do know is he shouldn't have been able to escape justice for 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, and in that sense I feel like he was the winner, not us. Kind of like "too little, too late." The other thing is, no matter what the man did, something inside of me can't find joy in the death of anyone. I would have much rather seen him captured so he would have to face up to what he did, even though I realize the nightmare that would have caused...

Anyway, I just had to get that out.

I'm wondering what makes you say that, Grim.

He's dead, we're still here.

The US, as messed up as our country is at this point, is still here. The Islamic Caliphate is not.
 
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Just so people know, this operation was YEARS in the making, and the intelligence community was very patient and deliberate in planning this. They, and those SEAL boys deserves a hell of a lot of credit for pulling this off. Again I've said this before but I'm not keen on giving Obama too much credit for this one. He did what he was supposed to do.

Of course it was years in the making, but Obama deserves credit for refocusing the effort on Afghanistan and Pakistan. He made a promise in 2008 that they would get bin Laden and he kept it. He went forward with the Afghan surge when many people in his own party were against. He did what he was supposed to do - that's the point.
 
This is my first response since the announcement of his death and surprisingly, I'm not feeling what everyone else seems to be.

I don't feel joy, happiness, relief, or like this is an occasion to celebrate, and I'm not really sure why. What I do know is he shouldn't have been able to escape justice for 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, and in that sense I feel like he was the winner, not us. Kind of like "too little, too late." The other thing is, no matter what the man did, something inside of me can't find joy in the death of anyone. I would have much rather seen him captured so he would have to face up to what he did, even though I realize the nightmare that would have caused...

Anyway, I just had to get that out.

Really. That's surprising. I find myself very fulfilled at the notion of UBL's death and at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Certainly I have no misgivings about the effects of such an action and I'm not kidding myself that somehow the terrorism in this world is irrevocably changed today because it's not. But there's a sense of fulfillment and closure. It's like a very long fever has finally broken; we're not well yet but at least that part of the sickness is over.
 
Of course it was years in the making, but Obama deserves credit for refocusing the effort on Afghanistan and Pakistan. He made a promise in 2008 that they would get bin Laden and he kept it. He went forward with the Afghan surge when many people in his own party were against. He did what he was supposed to do - that's the point.

I just don't think people should be given all that much credit for meeting expectations, that's all.
 
I'm wondering what makes you say that, Grim.

I guess I'm a bit disappointed that it took 10 years to get him. Disappointed in America to a degree, but very disappointed that there are so many people in the world that had to know where the man was, and felt it justified to remain silent and allow such a murderer to remain free.
 
How about you let us debate this significant issue without any BS restrictions? k thanks.
 
After invading Iraq and Afghanistan, none of it fixed the economy, the spending problem our government had, the devaluing of the dollar, the debt, or the albatross that health care has become in our country. But it still worked for Bush.

Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan. And what we spend on our military pales in comparison to what we spend on entitlements and pork. The more you know!
 
Really. That's surprising. I find myself very fulfilled at the notion of UBL's death and at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Certainly I have no misgivings about the effects of such an action and I'm not kidding myself that somehow the terrorism in this world is irrevocably changed today because it's not. But there's a sense of fulfillment and closure. It's like a very long fever has finally broken; we're not well yet but at least that part of the sickness is over.

Don't get the wrong Idea... I supported both wars and felt very happy and joyful when we got Saddam and brought him to justice. I wish I could explain the way I'm feeling, but I just can't... and believe me, I'm as surprised as you are about it.
 
Just so people know, this operation was YEARS in the making, and the intelligence community was very patient and deliberate in planning this. They, and those SEAL boys deserves a hell of a lot of credit for pulling this off. Again I've said this before but I'm not keen on giving Obama too much credit for this one. He did what he was supposed to do.

By a few accounts I've read, this action was based on intelligent that has been shaping up since 2006. I think both Bush and Obama deserve an "atta boy" on this one. It would not have been wise for either of them to provide a weekly update of intelligence, or of the progress on tracking Osama. That's like telling the your mom you're throwing her a surprise party next Tuesday. We knew nothing of Obama's actions since 2009 when he took office in regards to Osama. We knew nothing or little of Bush's actions, either.

To say "Bush failed, hahahahahahaha, Obama's a strategist GOD" is a bit....unrealistic. Osama has a very small circle. He uses that circle to do all of his communicating. He keeps few people "in the know" about himself. He disavows modern technology. It isn't like tracing my IP address and knowing I'm in Carrollton, TX right now. You have to rely on word of mouth from people we can't really trust. I get why it took so long to get him...I wish it hadn't..but I get it.
 
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The title of this thread is "Osama Bin Laden is Dead".

I have one question : HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ? (has anyone seen the body ?)
 
I fear this as well. I wonder if there will be any attempts at retaliation.
I don't fear that aQ has been slacking up 'til now. I suspect they'll keep working as hard as always.
 
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