• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Osama Bin Laden is dead

Anyone who actually thinks Osama Bin Laden played any key role these last few years is having a laugh. As he got older, he no doubt assigned tasks to other key figures. He was merely a figurehead and removing him does nothing to stop the group.

That said.
About ****ing time tbh. 2 unnecessary wars and now they finally find him? In an ally's countries no less and there was my small hopes he'd be in Saudi Arabia just as a insult to the Saudi Royals.

What a great weekend. My 2nd 4 day weekend, a royal wedding and now this.

Killing Osama (assuming he was killed) will do f*ck all, but it's just nice knowing his dead.
 
Killing Osama (assuming he was killed) will do f*ck all, but it's just nice knowing his dead.

It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.
 
It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.

I think most people know that there is no silver bullet when it comes to terrorism. But don't tell me these people dont have the right to celebrate the death of the mastermind who killed hundreds of fellow American and Westerners. They have every right.
 
Killing Osama (assuming he was killed) will do f*ck all, but it's just nice knowing his dead.

I think its far more significant than that Kaya. It is one significant piece of the Americas policy in eliminating the command structure of AQ. It's immaterial if OBL was active or inactive, he was the leader when AQ carried out its biggest atrocity. Its far more than symbolic.

Paul
 
RIP


"Bin Laden was located at a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, which was monitored and when the time was determined to be right, the president said, he authorized a "targeted operation."

"A small team of Americans carried out the operation," Obama said. "After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body."




Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Forces in Pakistan - ABC News


//
 
And how the HELL did he hide in a MANSION in pakistan all these years? Sorry it just doesn't add up for me.

He did not hide in that mansion for all these years. According to the news channels I have seen, he at best had been in the mansion since October 2010.
 
I think its far more significant than that Kaya. It is one significant piece of the Americas policy in eliminating the command structure of AQ. It's immaterial if OBL was active or inactive, he was the leader when AQ carried out its biggest atrocity. Its far more than symbolic.

Paul

That is precisely my position Paul. I was referring to the fight against terrorism though, killing OBL will do nothing in that respect.
 
He did not hide in that mansion for all these years. According to the news channels I have seen, he at best had been in the mansion since October 2010.

That's still pathetic.
 
It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.

Laila you are totally missing the point.

Paul
 
I think most people know that there is no silver bullet when it comes to terrorism. But don't tell me these people dont have the right to celebrate the death of the mastermind who killed hundreds of fellow American and Westerners. They have every right.

LOL
Celebrating death.

Go right ahead. Who said don't do it? I didn't even mention celebrating his death

The leadership of Al Qaeda is most likely intact; his death was always inevitable. Like I said, any leader worth his title would prepare for such an eventuality. Bin Laden's death will be spun by the Islamists as some sort of martyr death and he will be revered by his followers with no doubt many aspiring to be like him.

Have I mentioned how amusing it is he was in an allies country.
Do people not think Pakistan's ruling elite had an idea he was there? Probably protected by the local population which can only explain his long, successful hide and seek game
 
Last edited:
LOL
Celebrating death.

If you knew what it felt like loosing your parents in a car bomb you would know this terrible yet very real feeling, but you seem to be in lala land.

Go right ahead. Who said don't do it? I didn't even mention celebrating his death

The leadership of Al Qaeda is most likely intact; his death was always inevitable. Like I said, any leader worth his title would prepare for such an eventuality. Bin Laden's death will be spun by the Islamists as some sort of martyr death and he will be revered by his followers with no doubt many aspiring to be like him.

That is the truth and i respect that, however i will repeat my position on the issue, we have every right to celebrate the passing of a devil.

Have I mentioned how amusing it is he was in an allies country.
Do people not think Pakistan's ruling elite had an idea he was there? Probably protected by the local population which can only explain his long, successful hide and seek game

The Pakistani's actively support terrorism and they are only called "allies" as a morale boost for them.
 
. You just know this is going to pop up in some "Protecting America" ad come next year and it will be very hard for the average American to vote against the guy that got bin Laden.
ROTFLMFAO... It's great we got the corksoaker and motherflocker, but this will not be the rabbit in the hat trick that adds any meat on the bones of electing Obama for a second round of furious arrogance and anti-Americanism.

Obama has assembled a record of incompetence and partisanship that dwarfs this most fortuitous incident, and this time he won't be able to run and hide.

.
 
Last edited:
I think most people know that there is no silver bullet when it comes to terrorism. But don't tell me these people dont have the right to celebrate the death of the mastermind who killed hundreds of fellow American and Westerners. They have every right.

It's like saying people couldn't celebrate the death of Hitler.

Good riddance asshole. Too bad they didn't put a bullet through your head in Somalia.

.
 
If you knew what it felt like loosing your parents in a car bomb you would know this terrible yet very real feeling, but you seem to be in lala land.

Now you are trying to bring personal feelings into it.
You have no idea about war and suffering and losing family members
 
Last edited:
LOL
Celebrating death.

Go right ahead. Who said don't do it? I didn't even mention celebrating his death

The leadership of Al Qaeda is most likely intact; his death was always inevitable. Like I said, any leader worth his title would prepare for such an eventuality. Bin Laden's death will be spun by the Islamists as some sort of martyr death and he will be revered by his followers with no doubt many aspiring to be like him.

Have I mentioned how amusing it is he was in an allies country.
Do people not think Pakistan's ruling elite had an idea he was there? Probably protected by the local population which can only explain his long, successful hide and seek game

I wouldn't celebrate the death, but I welcome it. I'd have preferred to see him put on trial and interrogated to reveal all he knew and to see him humiliated and discredited in the eyes of his followers as much as his enemies, but you can't have everything.

Big questions remain about how Pakistan the country, not necessarily the government, protected him for so long. That issue has a long way to go before it's played out.

Of course AQ was never this Bond-like, centrally-controlled criminal organisation. He probably had no direct contact with AQ in the Maghreb or Yemen for a long time, but the symbolic impact on both AQ's supporters' and enemies' morale cannot be dismissed, any more than it can be quantified. I'm sure he and AQ prepared for it, that doesn't mean that it will not have major negative effect on the organisation. Would it be better that this had never happened? That the US concentrated solely on the operatives rather than the figure-head? Hell no!

Despite your reservations, don't you think that this is a positive development?
 
Now you are trying to bring personal feelings into it.
You have no idea about war and suffering and losing family members
It is not your grandparents who were killed with western weapons, given to them by the West and US with the backs turned so the dictator can do anything he pleases. It is not your country which has been torn apart and plundered by many Western countries because of their national interest.

Sorry for using my human emotions. Typical Islamist apologism, blaming the people who gave the weapons and not the idiots who bought and used them. Flawed logic? I think so.

No offense but what country are we talking about? Somalia? Lets be honest that country became a sh*t hole without our help. I'm personally sick of being blamed for all of the ills of your broken society. Get over it. You guys didn't catch up with the times and lost out.

It is not you who has lost tens of thousands of members of the same tribe, all relatives. All killed with Western support and weaponary and to then top it off. Those behind it given immunity in the West and you know they will never face justice

Again, blaming everybody other than the perpetrators of the crime. Evidence we gave them weapons to kill their own people?
 
Last edited:
It's like saying people couldn't celebrate the death of Hitler.


.

Well, as a wise man once said, "The winners write history." I think it was Aesop. Very smart man btw.
 
ROTFLMFAO... It's great we got the corksoaker and motherflocker, but this will not be the rabbit in the hat trick that adds any meat on the bones of electing Obama for a second round of furious arrogance and anti-Americanism.

Obama has assembled a record of incompetence and partisanship that dwarfs this most fortuitous incident, and this time he won't be able to run and hide.

.

You...

Talking about someone being partisan?

Please.

I mean come on political discourse is political discourse, but it doesn't speak well to anyone who says another person is partisan, whilst at the same time calling that person "anti-American"...

Obama, and many people in the United States perhaps feel there is a different way of doing things. Obama has compromised with the other side, and he's done things he didn't want to do, because Obama isn't just the president of the people who agree with him, and the people who hate him.

HE IS the president of the United States. And yes perhaps he hasn't done the best job, but the fact is, I bet he loves his country just as much as you do, you just can't see it that way because your own partisan blinders are on.
 
Sorry for using my human emotions. Typical Islamist apologism, blaming the people who gave the weapons and not the idiots who bought and used them. Flawed logic? I think so. No offense but what country are we talking about? Somalia? Because that country is a sh*t hole and they didn't need any Western interference.

Again, blaming everybody other than the perpetrators of crime. Evidence we gave them weapons to kill their own people?

Ah, so the people who sell the weapons have no responsibility or duty. Gotcha

Let's get back on subject and avoid personal issues being brought into the debate
 
Last edited:
Well, as a wise man once said, "The winners write history." I think it was Aesop. Very smart man btw.

Not always. Spain is the perfect example of where this didn't happen.
 
I have no idea what this means.

I edited it all out, don't worry and let's get back on topic.

For the record, I apologise for what I wrote. My emotions have gotten the better of me
 
Last edited:
Ah, so the people who sell the weapons have no responsibility or duty. Gotcha

Let's get back on subject and avoid personal issues being brought into the debate

I'm personally sick of being blamed for all of the ills of your broken society. It is wrong to think Westerners gave your leaders weapons with the intention that it would be turned against you.
 
Back
Top Bottom