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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I don't want to get into a full blown argument, so let me put it this way: Bush started the war in Afghanistan, and this is part of that war. Ergo, he deserves credit for starting the war, if nothing else.
    We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden, then de-emphasized Afghanistan to attack Iraq. The reason we got Bin Laden has little to do with Afghanistan and more do to with our forays into Pakistan, which Bush did not do and McCain ("I'll chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell".... "but I won't go into Pakistan") argued against. Sorry, Bush did not seriously pursue Bin Laden, or we would have had him years ago. Our military and intelligence community is far too sophisticated to not be able to find the guy for almost 10 years. We did not find him, because it was not a priority as the previously posted You Tube video well documents in Bush's own words. Sorry, Bush failed to get the job done. He gets zero credit...
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You get it, why is this so difficult for some to understand.
    You confused the concept of justice with due process. I do agree it would have been nice to have him rot in a hole for a month of two.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    The Ink Spots...........wow, haven't heard that name in years, many years.
    I felt "I don't want to set the world on fire" was appropriate for the situation.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by megrimlock View Post
    You confused the concept of justice with due process. I do agree it would have been nice to have him rot in a hole for a month of two.
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    A brief overview of what I'm talking about.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    According to this article, he was killed outside of a mansion...

    Osama bin Laden is dead, Obama says - CNN.com
    I'm not sure what to make of this mansion stuff. Other reports use the word compound. Not that it matters. He's just as dead. And all his stuff is broke.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Harry, a key point I'd like to make, is that this was a military operation, and Bin Laden was viewed as an enemy combatant. Following Hazl's description, he was viewed as a threat to the lives of our men, and was dealt as such, end of story. Military justice is different from civilian justice.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You get it, why is this so difficult for some to understand.
    I'm probably going to get warned for this, but frankly lots of people here are idiots. That is why it is so difficult for them to understand. They are idiots.

    Imagine putting Bin Laden in the International Court and have some Muslim lawyers take part in the prosecution. Having basically the world try and condemn him with an entirely open system with MUSLIMS doing the prosecution would do far more for ending this long conflict then anything else we've done. That kind of propaganda would be a crushing impact upon Islamic Terrorism. All of his dirty secrets and crimes put forth by the world community in an open forum.

    Tomorrow will be the same as today. Make no mistake. This is nothing more than a symbolic victory. It changes nothing on the ground.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But in terms of the actual conflicts revolving around Islamic Radicalism, I don't see how this frankly changes much besides making him a matyr and not putting him through the justice system. I'd prefer to have him rot in prison after a length trial dictating just how evil that man really is.
    I would agree that it would be best that he were rotting in an American prison... but it was very, very important that we got the guy.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Harry, a key point I'd like to make, is that this was a military operation, and Bin Laden was viewed as an enemy combatant. Following Hazl's description, he was viewed as a threat to the lives of our men, and was dealt as such, end of story. Military justice is different from civilian justice.
    As much as I may understand what you're saying, I disagree for moral reasons.
    Not because I dislike the military or like Bin Laden, anything like that, but because I'm kind of an idealist when it comes to law.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But in terms of the actual conflicts revolving around Islamic Radicalism, I don't see how this frankly changes much besides making him a matyr and not putting him through the justice system. I'd prefer to have him rot in prison after a length trial dictating just how evil that man really is.
    The way the far-righties have criticized Obama for capturing and attempt to try terrorists, I'm glad bin Laden was shot.

    Dead is dead.

    The terrorist networks are in disarray -- he's martyr to anyone who matters.

    Turn on YOUR TV for christ sakes. Look at what this means to people in NYC and DC.

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