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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    don't be lazy, it is there; if you do not want to face with the truth , then it is your choice, my another proof is the research of Charles Duelfer, he says there were no nukes,biological or chemical weapons in Iraq as alleged, anyway , it seems you do not want to accept the excuse Bush used to intervene into ıraq, it is ok for me; but it is sad to still see some people who have no idea what is going on the ''earth' where i live ....
    It's indeed sad that many Americans have never read the reports covering this issue.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    Simon W. Moon , Andalublue
    i really cannot understand you, the us army along with England did invade ıraq after those claims there were nukes,biological and chemical weapons...
    They did not claim that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
    You don't have to understand me, just English. English isn't your first language, is it?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    They did not claim that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
    You don't have to understand me, just English. English isn't your first language, is it?
    it is neither my language nor english; it is interpretation; there is a report, which claims somethings, if you do not want to accept the truth , what can my language or english do? btw, i thought you were stick to the debate not debater.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I really can't believe people still refuse to educate themselves about this subject.

    From the ISG report that's been available for years:

    Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions
    were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that
    which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion,
    irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic
    missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.

    The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither
    was there an identifi able group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam. Instead, his lieutenants
    understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent,
    but fi rm, verbal comments and directions to them.

    To implement its procurement efforts, Iraq under Saddam, created a network of Iraqi front companies, some
    with close relationships to high-ranking foreign government offi cials. These foreign government offi cials, in
    turn, worked through their respective ministries, state-run companies and ministry-sponsored front companies,
    to procure illicit goods, services, and technologies for Iraq’s WMD-related, conventional arms, and/or
    dual-use goods programs.

    Saddam directed the Regime’s key ministries and governmental agencies to devise and implement strategies,
    policies, and techniques to discredit the UN sanctions, harass UN personnel in Iraq, and discredit the US. At
    the same time, according to reporting, he also wanted to obfuscate Iraq’s refusal to reveal the nature of its
    WMD and WMD-related programs, their capabilities, and his intentions.

    • Saddam used the IIS to undertake the most sensitive procurement missions. Consequently, the IIS facilitated
    the import of UN sanctioned and dual-use goods into Iraq through countries like Syria, Jordan,
    Belarus and Turkey.

    Saddam used the Ministry of Higher Education and Scientifi c Research (MHESR) through its universities
    and research programs to maintain, develop, and acquire expertise, to advance or preserve existent research
    projects and developments, and to procure goods prohibited by UN SC sanctions.

    Numerous ministries in Saddam’s Regime facilitated the smuggling of illicit goods through Iraq’s borders,
    ports, and airports. The Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and the Military Industiralization Commission (MIC),
    however, were directly responsible for skirting UN monitoring and importing prohibited items for Saddam.

    ISG uncovered Iraqi plans or designs for three long-range ballistic missiles with ranges from 400 to 1,000
    km and for a 1,000-km-range cruise missile, although none of these systems progressed to production and
    only one reportedly passed the design phase. ISG assesses that these plans demonstrate Saddam’s continuing
    desire—up to the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)—for a long-range delivery capability.

    ISG judges, based on available chemicals, infrastructure, and scientist debriefi ngs, that Iraq at OIF probably
    had a capability to produce large quantities of sulfur mustard within three to six months.

    ISG uncovered information that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) maintained throughout 1991 to 2003
    a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various chemicals and poisons, primarily for
    intelligence operations.
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    Again, wanted to is not equal to did. Read the report.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    Simon W. Moon , Andalublue

    i really cannot understand you, the us army along with England did invade ıraq after those claims there were nukes,biological and chemical weapons, after the invasion they created a research group to prove what they claimed was true; however, the group said the contrary; a war started and ended , but one of you still do not know the reason , and the other one is thinking those claims are the facts not excuses to invade Iraq so we should read the exact words in that report.
    Soguks, I agree with you entirely EXCEPT for the 'nukes' bit. No one claimed he had 'nukes', just weapons of mass destruction, specifically long-range missiles and chemical weapons. No such weapons were discovered after the invasion, hence all the controversy.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    it is neither my language nor english; it is interpretation; there is a report, which claims somethings, if you do not want to accept the truth , what can my language or english do? btw, i thought you were stick to the debate not debater.
    Well, the language of the report is English. So any failures in understanding English can lead to failures to understand what the report says.

    When the report says, "most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program," it is not the same as the report saying "most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons."
    See, in that sentence, "weapons" is used as an adjective to describe the noun "program." Weapons is not the noun in this instance, but merely a descriptor of the word program.

    So, as you can now see, the NIE did not say that Iraq had nukes.
    I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, wanted to is not equal to did. Read the report.
    This is why Libs are so very dangerous.

    They need to see the mushroom cloud before they take action, and then that's not enough. Never mind the idiot had and used WMD and committed all manner of atrocities.

    And as if he would parade the program in front of us. The Iranians had a secret program for 18-years that was revealed not by our intel services, but a few Iranian individuals.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, wanted to is not equal to did. Read the report.
    another person another start, tell me please if there was no nukes or such weapons; why usa invaded Iraq then? and why the cia set a research group for those 'weapons'?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Soguks, I agree with you entirely EXCEPT for the 'nukes' bit. No one claimed he had 'nukes', just weapons of mass destruction, specifically long-range missiles and chemical weapons. No such weapons were discovered after the invasion, hence all the controversy.
    Well, to be fair we did find the missiles we went looking for. Also, we did find some WMD remnants from the past. however, we didn't find what we said was there like, "a few hundred metric tons of CW agents" or mobile bio-weapons labs.
    I may be wrong.

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