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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Soguks, you seem to be confusing weapons of mass destruction with 'nukes'. They are not the same thing. Insisting that they are doesn't help your case.
    ...''Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.''

    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/...q_Oct_2002.htm

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Nah, what I am is a college kid who thinks. I am a faithful, NPR-listening, card-carrying liberal There are plenty of folks on here who are solid liberals, who don't end up sounding like Code Pink because they're not crazy or stupid.

    Bashing Bush does not a true liberal make.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    don't be lazy, it is there;
    It is not there at all. The NIE that you linked to does not say that Iraq had nukes.
    Here, look for yourself.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/...q_Oct_2002.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    ...it seems you do not want to accept the excuse Bush used to intervene into ıraq, it is ok for me; but it is sad to still see some people who have no idea what is going on the ''earth' where i live ....
    The Bush Admin didn't say that Iraq had nukes either.

    Your guesses about me are way off btw. I suggest you skip talking about me and stick to debating.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    don't be lazy, it is there; if you do not want to face with the truth , then it is your choice, my another proof is the research of Charles Duelfer, he says there were no nukes,biological or chemical weapons in Iraq as alleged, anyway , it seems you do not want to accept the excuse Bush used to intervene into ıraq, it is ok for me; but it is sad to still see some people who have no idea what is going on the ''earth' where i live ....
    That report says quite specifically:
    Baghdad could produce a nuclear weapon within a year if it were able to procure weapons-grade fissile material abroad.
    In other words, it COULD have 'nukes' within a year IF it got fissile material. It didn't get that material and did not have 'nukes' and that CIA report concedes that. The CIA was wrong about the extent of Iraq's WMD programme, but was right in stating that they didn't have 'nukes'.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    All 'nukes' are weapons of mass destruction, but not all weapons of mass destruction are 'nukes'.
    So, how would calling a nuke a weapon of mass destruction be wrong?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That report says quite specifically:

    In other words, it COULD have 'nukes' within a year IF it got fissile material. It didn't get that material and did not have 'nukes' and that CIA report concedes that. The CIA was wrong about the extent of Iraq's WMD programme, but was right in stating that they didn't have 'nukes'.
    did you check the dates in that report?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    did you check the dates in that report?
    Please be clear. Are you saying that at a later date the CIA said that Iraq DID have 'nukes'? Or are you saying that the invasion took place over one year after that report and hence the CIA can be said to have claimed that Iraq would therefore already have 'nukes' prior to the invasion? You were accusing others as 'lazy', please don't do the same.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    ...''Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.''

    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/...q_Oct_2002.htm
    emphasis added


    program ≠ weapon
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, how would calling a nuke a weapon of mass destruction be wrong?
    I don't think that anyone said it was incorrect to do so.

    But saying that someone has WMD doesn't mean the same thing as saying someone has a nuke. The reason it's not the same is that WMD applies to more things than just a nuke.

    For an example, if someone says that they have vegetables, it's not the same as saying that they have carrots.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Simon W. Moon , Andalublue

    i really cannot understand you, the us army along with England did invade ıraq after those claims there were nukes,biological and chemical weapons, after the invasion they created a research group to prove what they claimed was true; however, the group said the contrary; a war started and ended , but one of you still do not know the reason , and the other one is thinking those claims are the facts not excuses to invade Iraq so we should read the exact words in that report.

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