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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Does this actually change anything?
    Yes. As Carter was blamed for his bungle in the dessert, Obama will be credited (and comparatively Bush blamed) for not bringing US enemy #1 to justice.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Why? He used 9/11. He chose to not let a good crisis go to waste, but rather used it to support his foray into Iraq. He never seriously chased Bin Laden and therefore gets zero credit.

    YouTube - Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version)
    I don't want to get into a full blown argument, so let me put it this way: Bush started the war in Afghanistan, and this is part of that war. Ergo, he deserves credit for starting the war, if nothing else.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What rules did we not follow? I gotta hear this.

    Please enlighten us...

    So typical of the Obama-haters, to totally flip-flop on this.

    Fox and Friends are already cuing up their spin on this...
    Did I say anything about Obama?
    No!
    You can't help yourself but to turn something into a partisan turdery.

    It's a moral concept of the Rule of Man vs. the Rule of Law.
    Something way above your wavelength.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Does this actually change anything?
    Bin Laden's body temperature. And it is nice to know that he he knew he was about to die at American hands.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes. As Carter was blamed for his bungle in the dessert, Obama will be credited (and comparatively Bush blamed) for not bringing US enemy #1 to justice.
    But in terms of the actual conflicts revolving around Islamic Radicalism, I don't see how this frankly changes much besides making him a matyr and not putting him through the justice system. I'd prefer to have him rot in prison after a length trial dictating just how evil that man really is.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID. He said we didn't take out Bin Laden cause it would have been premature and would have inspired feelings of martyrdom. Killing Bin Laden immediately after millions of Muslims celebrated 9/11 would have made him look like a martyr in a culture that relishes them. Do you think that in the 21st century any man is good enough to hide for nearly 10 years? No. We didn't kill him because we didn't need to. He probably escaped a few times but do you honestly doubt we didn't know his whereabouts until now? Get serious. I could find somebody halfway across the world just sitting in my computer.
    It's exactly what he said, with these words: "he was a strategically placed pawn."

    It's incredibly easy to deceive yourself into thinking the rest of the world is just like the States. I'm sorry, but it's not. There are thousands of American fugitives hiding in the US right now, speaking english and carrying out relationships with their family members and our government still cannot find them. Now if it's that easy for our own citizens to hide, it's far easier for a guerilla leader to hide in populations that support his cause. And my whole point is that if Osama was a strategically placed enemy figurehead, he was strategically placed so that he could be triumphantly removed.

    I never said that al-Qaeda would crumble with his defeat. I said he was not a pawn o puppet of the US. He was a genuine enemy, a true figurehead of the opposition, and every moment he was alive he stood as a symbol to our enemies of American weakness. It doesn't matter whether or not he was the general of a carefully organized hierarchy, or practically useless celebrity. A war is both physical and psychological and his execution was a major psychological victory for the US.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But in terms of the actual conflicts revolving around Islamic Radicalism, I don't see how this frankly changes much besides making him a matyr and not putting him through the justice system. I'd prefer to have him rot in prison after a length trial dictating just how evil that man really is.
    You get it, why is this so difficult for some to understand.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    According to this article, he was killed outside of a mansion...

    Osama bin Laden is dead, Obama says - CNN.com

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You get it, why is this so difficult for some to understand.
    I'd be concerned about keeping him captured. Of course, it'd be great, and I wish we could have like paraded him as a POW through the streets of NYC, let some citizens at him...and then put him in the most patriotic jail in the country.

    But him dead is good too. Like Lucky said, he knew America f**ked him over before he died, thats good enough for me.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The legal and moral concept.
    Here's the legal concept.

    We elected a President. He gave orders to go after a mass-murderer on the FBI's most wanted list.

    Here's a moral concept. The Seal Team rehearsed the mission for weeks to do it without unnecessary casualties.

    Here's a legal/moral concept. Bin Ladin resisted. He was shot. JUSTICE. Period.

    A mass murderer was shot while resisting capture.


    You know trial by jury, that whole thing.
    That's not the only form of justice. In fact, it can be prone to failure, especially when money was involved.

    If you think all those Bin Ladin videos were doctored feel free to start the new truther movement.

    But like I said, that doesn't necessarily make this bad.
    If Obama saved a child by donating a kidney, you'd wonder why he only saved one child when he clearly has two kidneys. It's so phony Harry, and really sad given the outpouring of emotion at ground zero tonight.

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