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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's amazing how little basic leadership skill, tact, experience, statesmanship, class, and integrity is required to be an elected leader in this country today.
    This is the result of our loss of basic family structure and the resulting lack of moral fiber, which in turn has led to widespread institutionalized government dependence.
    I think it is better explained by elements like rational irrationality and rational ignorance. These seem to have more direct and more measurable impacts on behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Compare our current "statemen" with those who signed the declaration and the level of debate that occurred in Independence Hall in those days.
    I believe if were in the midst of fomenting an armed insurrection in our own country that some of the political chaff would fall to the wayside.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're just barely a liberal though.
    Nah, what I am is a college kid who thinks. I am a faithful, NPR-listening, card-carrying liberal There are plenty of folks on here who are solid liberals, who don't end up sounding like Code Pink because they're not crazy or stupid.

    Bashing Bush does not a true liberal make.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Nah, what I am is a college kid who thinks. I am a faithful, NPR-listening, card-carrying liberal There are plenty of folks on here who are solid liberals, who don't end up sounding like Code Pink because they're not crazy or stupid.

    Bashing Bush does not a true liberal make.

    You're absolutely right! when I lived in MD for 20 years I had many, many friends that were liberals, who could make their case when discussing politics very soundly, and also had the manners to actually listen to the other side of the argument without the name calling, mockery, and nasty little snark that so often today is prevalent. I appreciate those people, not that I agree with their politic but they are wonderful people, and am glad to have them as friends.

    I wish that I'd have known you when I lived there, you sound like one of those people.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Nah, what I am is a college kid who thinks. I am a faithful, NPR-listening, card-carrying liberal There are plenty of folks on here who are solid liberals, who don't end up sounding like Code Pink because they're not crazy or stupid.

    Bashing Bush does not a true liberal make.
    BTW SB, good luck on your finals. The semester is almost over. Will you get the summer off or are you taking classes?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    BTW SB, good luck on your finals. The semester is almost over. Will you get the summer off or are you taking classes?
    I've used the past few summers to take summer classes...I really need a semester off from school. I'm still searching, but I'll likely take a summer job or internship somewhere so as to remain productive.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've used the past few summers to take summer classes...I really need a semester off from school. I'm still searching, but I'll likely take a summer job or internship somewhere so as to remain productive.
    Good for you. I never took a summer off and it was a mistake.

    I needed a break from the pressure of school more than I realized.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Good for you. I never took a summer off and it was a mistake.

    I needed a break from the pressure of school more than I realized.

    Good luck.
    Thanks Ron.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've used the past few summers to take summer classes...I really need a semester off from school. I'm still searching, but I'll likely take a summer job or internship somewhere so as to remain productive.
    Dude student to student- travel if you can. I never did and I was always tired coming back to school. Although I either was working/interning/taking classes. Although now after I move out of my apartment this summer my brother and I are taking a week/2 week road trip down the coast.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Dude student to student- travel if you can. I never did and I was always tired coming back to school. Although I either was working/interning/taking classes. Although now after I move out of my apartment this summer my brother and I are taking a week/2 week road trip down the coast.
    No $$$

    Living in the DC Metro area isn't a bad thing though...lot's of opportunities.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    ..then where is his body? at sea? do you really believe this?

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