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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think there is some truth to this, but it's a bit of an exaggeration that he was never a planner. I do agree that he was more of a figurehead with an important image.
    1 People making, the assumption that Bin Laden was THE leader of AQ - bad assumption.

    2 Operational planning in AQ was not entirely dependent on Bin Laden. So there probably wouldn't be much effect in the long run

    3 Bin Laden will become a martyr, which is exactly what he and his organization would like....This is where I think the greatest impact would come - legends aren't easily replaced.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    1 People making, the assumption that Bin Laden was THE leader of AQ - bad assumption.

    2 Operational planning in AQ was not entirely dependent on Bin Laden. So there probably wouldn't be much effect in the long run

    3 Bin Laden will become a martyr, which is exactly what he and his organization would like....This is where I think the greatest impact would come - legends aren't easily replaced.
    so you would have left him alone?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    so you would have left him alone?
    Bin Laden is dead...

    This is a worldview we combat, not just some politically motivated insurgency. To ignore that fact is to do so at our peril. The search for truth and therefore the reason the Taliban exists, is not something you can eliminate. Our target is Islam and the validity of that belief system. Anything less will leave us with a false sense of security. Islam itself breeds the mindset you see in the likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. We cannot afford to ignore that.

    To some people, their religion is the most real thing there is. Don't make the classic analyst's mistake of looking at the enemy's situation with your own eyes.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm a liberal. I'm not bashing Bush. Neither is repeter, who agreed with my post.
    Yes, i know you weren't bashing Bush. My point was directed towards those who were.

    Perhaps you're less 'liberal' than you think, and that's a compliment.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, i know you weren't bashing Bush. My point was directed towards those who were.

    Perhaps you're less 'liberal' than you think, and that's a compliment.
    Nah, I wear my liberality like a badge. I'm just not an idiot or a hack. I have my own biases, but generally I am pretty fair and open-minded when I approach political issues.

    Bush cannot be blamed for not trying hard enough to kill/capture Osama. The man had many flaws, but he cannot be criticized for this.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    I do not believe that is you.
    Birthers: God's way of telling Darwin "Take that!"

    We're dealing with master Satanists here. The fact that there's no evidence proves that it's true.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've been waterbaorded...as has nearly everyone that's been through S.E.R.E.
    That explains why you continually ramble without saying anything of real value....
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-04-11 at 01:37 AM.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've been waterbaorded...as has nearly everyone that's been through S.E.R.E.
    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That explains why you continually ramble without saying anything of real value....
    (editor's note: Sorry, that isn't intended to be a personal shot, I just could not resist hitting that softball)

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    omg this "Bush didn't try to catch OBL" BS is getting ridiculous. I will never be Bush's #1 fan (except maybe when it comes to comedic value), but let's drop this bull**** notion that he didn't try to get Osama. He did try, he either just didn't have enough intel to act, or he screwed up (like in Tora Bora). Bush cannot be faulted for lack of trying.
    Umm. Nah. He said he was not even really worried about him. Bush dropped the ball and those that think otherwise need to suck it the hell up, deal and drop it.. Unless they wish to have their ass handed to them. Just saying.
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