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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, yes reading Amazed's posts kills my brain.

    That being said, how is waterboarding different from testicles and fingernails?

    This is the dictionary definition for torture:

    Torture | Define Torture at Dictionary.com



    I think that's a pretty fair definition, and in my opinion waterboarding can reasonably be included. If you think any different, why?
    waterbaording does not inflict actual pain.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    waterbaording does not inflict actual pain.
    How did it feel when you went through it?

    Now I'm not trying to say that I know more about the subject than you, but here's what a little wiki search tells me:

    Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and, if uninterrupted, death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years.[5]
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Right, and it's not just US troops that go through this type of training. Al Qaeda operatives do it, too, along w/many other terrorists, for obvious reasons.

    And contrary to the propoganda of the warmongering right, waterboarding, along w/all other kinds of physical torture, do not work. When a normal person is tortured, he/she will say anything to stop the torture, true or otherwise, and even if the that person has been trained to resist torture, typically, there's no incentive for him/her to tell the truth if there's no conceivable way for the interrogator to ascertain the veracity of the information he/she reveals.

    The story about the CIA obtaining valuable information from waterboarding detainees is just more mindless claptrap from the gummint. If the US gummint did obtain valuable intelligence from the detainees using this technique, then bin Laden would've been captured years ago, during the dumbya administration, almost immediately after waterboarding began, because those waterboarded detainees would've provided the information necessary to bring about his capture.

    But that did not happen.
    You think waterboarding began under GWB?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You...

    Talking about someone being partisan?

    Please.

    I mean come on political discourse is political discourse, but it doesn't speak well to anyone who says another person is partisan, whilst at the same time calling that person "anti-American"...

    Obama, and many people in the United States perhaps feel there is a different way of doing things. Obama has compromised with the other side, and he's done things he didn't want to do, because Obama isn't just the president of the people who agree with him, and the people who hate him.

    HE IS the president of the United States. And yes perhaps he hasn't done the best job, but the fact is, I bet he loves his country just as much as you do, you just can't see it that way because your own partisan blinders are on.
    Obama claimed there was no red-America or blue-America but The United States of America. He said that... and he was called/sold by his propagandists as "post-partisan". Seems absolutely idiotic now doesn't it?

    I am an admitted partisan, a recovered Commi-Lib. I do not pretend to be a moderate, progressive or centrist like so many Libs here... and their leaders Clinton and Obama.

    I'm an honest broker... Obama hung with those that despise this country... Ayers... Wright... Khalidid... but Obama loves America? Is that why he wants to "change America fundamentally"?

    He's a Marxist and anti-American... the two go hand in hand.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    How did it feel when you went through it?
    ....extremely apprehensive.......
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nevermind, got the link and viewed it on my phone.

    And shocked, exactly as I said. This line that YOU quoted:

    “I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

    Was never uttered once.

    So again, Ryinea, I ask....please provide evidence that Bush EVER said that quote.
    Face palms my mistake that was the short version of the thing


    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush









    He does say it in the video around 2:40 something I have provided links and stuff to the actual quotes that was just a summery of the whole quote I beleive
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obama claimed there was no red-America or blue-America but The United States of America. He said that... and he was called/sold by his propagandists as "post-partisan". Seems absolutely idiotic now doesn't it?

    I am an admitted partisan, a recovered Commi-Lib. I do not pretend to be a moderate, progressive or centrist like so many Libs here... and their leaders Clinton and Obama.

    I'm an honest broker... he hung with those that despise this country... but he loves it? Is that why he wants to "change America fundamentally"?

    He's a Marxist and anti-American... the two go hand in hand.

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    So basically, you're the conservative version of Noodle.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Also here is the link too the press conference in which he actually says it

    Long Bush Flip-Flop List

    Also I used many of the words all I could fine is the YouTube clip and a couple of list that say he is a big fat lie.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So basically, you're the conservative version of Noodle.
    Yeap that what I thought as well. He seem to be the conservative version of Noodle and lets think any other liberals that act like him.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Yeap that what I thought as well. He seem to be the conservative version of Noodle and lets think any other liberals that act like him.
    Don't think we have any "reformed/born-again liberals" around here.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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