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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Considering the enemy we face, I am interested in what your approach to gain information from these prisoners would be?

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    Torture is used by the lazy and the slow witted, and the sadists. Can it get useful information? Yes. Equally useful information can be gained by traditional, non violent, non painful methods, used by dedicated professionals, and many professional interrogators would say it's even more reliable information. I'd rather our country's interrogators be viewed the latter not the former.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Torture is used by the lazy and the slow witted, and the sadists. Can it get useful information? Yes. Equally useful information can be gained by traditional, non violent, non painful methods, used by dedicated professionals, and many professional interrogators would say it's even more reliable information. I'd rather our country's interrogators be viewed the latter not the former.

    Ok, so you would rather we merely asked with a pretty please at the end, and what when they say go screw yourself?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    During the press briefing earlier the following took place..kind of made me giggle (note: not verbatim, but close):

    Reporter: So if Osama didn't have a gun, how did he resist?
    Carney: ...you don't have to have a weapon to resist...
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Torture is used by the lazy and the slow witted, and the sadists.
    and, since torture was instituted in the US by the Republicans, it logically extends that the Republicans are .........
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-03-11 at 03:54 PM.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Tink, tink, tink*** TI you still there, waiting for your response.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    During the press briefing earlier the following took place..kind of made me giggle (note: not verbatim, but close):

    Reporter: So if Osama didn't have a gun, how did he resist?
    Carney: ...you don't have to have a weapon to resist...
    I lol'd

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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    During the press briefing earlier the following took place..kind of made me giggle (note: not verbatim, but close):

    Reporter: So if Osama didn't have a gun, how did he resist?
    Carney: ...you don't have to have a weapon to resist...

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What do you mean by training technique? I know some specops guys are subjected to methods that are considered torture in the course of their training, like in SERE. Doesn't mean the practice isn't torture

    Waterboarding | Define Waterboarding at Dictionary.com



    You're made to feel like you are drowning. If not performed properly, waterboarding can actually result in permanent physical damage and even death. It most definitely is a form of torture.
    I've been waterbaorded...as has nearly everyone that's been through S.E.R.E.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Get yourself waterboarded and get back to us. Go for 60 hours without sleep and get back to us.
    allready done...S.E.R.E. training.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've been waterbaorded...as has nearly everyone that's been through S.E.R.E.
    You just repeated what I said, mac. All I'm saying is that just because you went through it, doesn't make it not torture. There's a pretty strong consensus that it is most definitely a form of torture.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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