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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I think we have to own up to a few things:

    1. Torture does in fact work sometimes.
    2. It can only work when someone actually has information to give.
    3. People who have no information will just give you a pack of lies.
    4. America has long been guilty of using torture despite all rosy suggestions to the contrary.

    All that said, the use of violent coercion in interrogations compromises basic human principles of compassion and should not be allowed even if it can successfully elicit information. We have and can acquire pertinent information with more gentle measures.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But will you give George Bush the credit for waterboarding the terrorists for the necessary information? If not for him they never would have found the couriers who finally led them to Osama.
    No, because the intel that was finally provided was obtained using traditional interrogational methods.
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    We're dealing with master Satanists here. The fact that there's no evidence proves that it's true.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Guess what? I could care less what people that wish to kill us here think. I could care less.
    o_0 So you're saying that all Muslims want to kill us?
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    We're dealing with master Satanists here. The fact that there's no evidence proves that it's true.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The American soldiers who killed this bastard should be the ones get the credit. Not Bush and Not Obama. I already talked to my mom who said she hopes Obama does not take all the credit as Bush was the one who started this
    People crack me up with this. Bush doesn't deserve anything. He sat on his behind while the attacks were underway. If he had acted faster, they would have caught Bin Laden shortly after the attacks on the border of Pakistan. Obama took the risk and gave the order with the intelligence on hand. That was a risky call, and it panned out. He acted on his hunch, something Bush has never done. The credit should to the intelligence gatherers, the Seals, and the President for acting in a timely fashion. All of the Bush loyalist need to get over Obama's color. He is the President of the United States, and your president made one of the gutsiest calls since Truman. Period!

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think we have to own up to a few things:

    1. Torture does in fact work sometimes.
    2. It can only work when someone actually has information to give.
    3. People who have no information will just give you a pack of lies.
    4. America has long been guilty of using torture despite all rosy suggestions to the contrary.

    All that said, the use of violent coercion in interrogations compromises basic human principles of compassion and should not be allowed even if it can successfully elicit information. We have and can acquire pertinent information with more gentle measures.
    An ends justifies the means speech doesn't fully apply to this situation. It was mainly teamwork, solidarity and careful planning that brought this mission to a success; and even then there was a long fight at the end. As for torture itself, detainees will cough up any information they have, whether or not it's true, just to stop their own suffering. If the U.S. has been engaged in torture, it also means that a lot has been expended in wild goose chases behind the scenes, given the inconsistency of torture confessions. They got lucky and someone had a key piece of real info about Osama, but I'm concerned about how many people we had to resolutely go through before we arrived at that finding. The public may never know.

    The interrogation programs are a bit far reaching. There have been more security treaties signed between the U.S. and other nations in the past 10 years than since the Cold War. Our CIA have been plucking people from all over and detaining them without trial. How many people from around the world have we tortured ceaselessly until we arrived at what we wanted?

    If anything, this take down shows that the U.S. government is merciless and relentless about getting what it wants. This time was a victory for us, but citizens should remain vigilant at all times about what our government is capable of - which is ANYTHING.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's not exactly how the story is being reported... Except on Fox, of course...
    I've read reports from several sources that cite 2003 and 2006 as the years that key intelligence regarding the couriers began to come together.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I just have one thing to say on this subject and I'll leave it at that...

    It's about damn time. I only wished he was taken out much sooner.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Also to the people saying Bush needs to be credited for anything




    Face Palms! He was not wanting too find the asshole in the first place. Just please give credit were credit is due which is not to Bush. Its due to the fact of the military man and women that we caught him, and due to the fact we were actually looking for him. I'm a Liberal but I give credit to Republicans a lot in my post but this is something I doubt he deserves credit for since he wasn't even looking for the guy.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Also to the people saying Bush needs to be credited for anything




    Face Palms!
    Except that entire "argument" can be completely eradicated by the fact that the men who provide the information on Osama's courier, which led to his death, were captured, detained, and questioned for that information during Bush's presidency. The "spy work" which led to locating the courier and questioning him was done during Obama's. Without one, there would not have been another.

    Also, the question Bush was asked to which that response was given matters. The answer means two entirely different things if the question is, "won't bin laden attack again soon if we don't get him?" or "are we making any efforts to get him?"
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    The intel that led to the shooting of bin laden was first attained in 2007 when the courier was detained and subsequently tracked...this all began before Obama was even President and the Policy of Wire tapping and others that GW BUSH put in place is what led to the end of Bin Laden...just give credit where its really due for once liberals.

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