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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Yeah.....this is third thing the guy has done that I liked. I hope he doesn't keep this up. I don't want to starting liking him.
    Out of curiosity, what were the first two?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I wonder if Jello Biafra will start a punk band called the Dead Bin Ladens" and dedicated a song called "Holiday in Afghanistan"



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    try this again sober.
    I am sober unfortunately and how do you know when the war in Afghanistan is going to end are you the great Nostradamus? Can you predict the future?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Obama gave a great speech, and did an excellent job presiding over the hunt for OBL. Good on ya, Mr. President.
    I guess that's your clever way of saying that Obama doesn't deserve any actual credit.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If he was in Pakistan, how could he be in the the hills of Tora Bora?

    Maybe Bush knew something the rest of us didn't?

    And of course they got the revelation of who the couriers were as a result of water boarding. George Bush deserves credit for that.
    He was in Tora Bora 8 years ago. We never knew where he went after he escaped. Bush failed. Obama picked up what was left and finished the job that Bush couldn't.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    He was in Tora Bora 8 years ago. We never knew where he went after he escaped. Bush failed. Obama picked up what was left and finished the job that Bush couldn't.
    Okay...Tora Bora (actually it was 10 years ago) was a ****up of massive proportions, but it was another example of people trying and failing, not an example of people not trying hard enough.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    He was in Tora Bora 8 years ago. We never knew where he went after he escaped. Bush failed. Obama picked up what was left and finished the job that Bush couldn't.
    But will you give George Bush the credit for waterboarding the terrorists for the necessary information? If not for him they never would have found the couriers who finally led them to Osama.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But will you give George Bush the credit for waterboarding the terrorists for the necessary information? If not for him they never would have found the couriers who finally led them to Osama.
    Is there any evidence to back up your claim that this actionable intelligence was obtained through torture?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But will you give George Bush the credit for waterboarding the terrorists for the necessary information? If not for him they never would have found the couriers who finally led them to Osama.
    That's not exactly how the story is being reported... Except on Fox, of course...

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Is there any evidence to back up your claim that this actionable intelligence was obtained through torture?
    How a Detainee Became An Asset - washingtonpost.com

    I'm not sure it was waterboarding, but he did talk after it was used, and it wasnt used after he started, and kept, talking. What I find interesting is that the supervisors noted he really started talking after harsh interrogation, while KSM contradicts that by saying he lied about information while being tortured.

    Not sure what to conclude about it.
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