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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    hmmm, what was Pres. Obama doing on 9/11...2001?
    Reading to a kindergarten class, waiting for Cheney or Rummy to tell him what to do...??

    No, that was someone else.

    Based on what we know about last nights operation -- IMO -- 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office. His team would have been on top of the intel we had.

    Under Bush, terrorists were taking flying lessons here in the states... WTF??

    Competence, responsibility, and proactive leadership returned to the WH in 2008.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Reading to a kindergarten class, waiting for Cheney or Rummy to tell him what to do...??

    No, that was someone else.

    Based on what we know about last nights operation -- IMO -- 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office. His team would have been on top of the intel we had.

    Under Bush, terrorists were taking flying lessons here in the states... WTF??

    Competence, responsibility, and proactive leadership returned to the WH in 2008.
    You don't know any of this hazl.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Reading to a kindergarten class, waiting for Cheney or Rummy to tell him what to do...??

    No, that was someone else.

    Based on what we know about last nights operation -- IMO -- 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office. His team would have been on top of the intel we had.

    Under Bush, terrorists were taking flying lessons here in the states... WTF??

    Competence, responsibility, and proactive leadership returned to the WH in 2008.
    Way to dodge the question. What was Pres. Obama doing on 9/11, 2001?

    edit: just to clarify, I don't give a **** what Trump was doing last night. If you are using Trump to counterbalance Obama's deeds....you're pretty desperate.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You don't know any of this hazl.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Reading to a kindergarten class, waiting for Cheney or Rummy to tell him what to do...??

    No, that was someone else.

    Based on what we know about last nights operation -- IMO -- 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office. His team would have been on top of the intel we had.

    Under Bush, terrorists were taking flying lessons here in the states... WTF??

    Competence, responsibility, and proactive leadership returned to the WH in 2008.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Reading to a kindergarten class, waiting for Cheney or Rummy to tell him what to do...??

    No, that was someone else.

    Based on what we know about last nights operation -- IMO -- 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office. His team would have been on top of the intel we had.

    Under Bush, terrorists were taking flying lessons here in the states... WTF??

    Competence, responsibility, and proactive leadership returned to the WH in 2008.
    Obama would have had the same issues Bush did when he got into office, and far less experience in knowing how to fix it. Our intelligence agencies weren't communicating with one another. Puzzle pieces weren't getting put together. That wouldn't have been different under Obama, and since Obama had virtually NO representative experience or political experience in 2001, it would have been rather difficult for him to get much accomplished in 9 months to revamp the intelligence agencies.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Obama would have had the same issues Bush did when he got into office, and far less experience in knowing how to fix it. Our intelligence agencies weren't communicating with one another. Puzzle pieces weren't getting put together. That wouldn't have been different under Obama, and since Obama had virtually NO representative experience or political experience in 2001, it would have been rather difficult for him to get much accomplished in 9 months to revamp the intelligence agencies.
    Tess is right. There were structural and bureaucratic deficiencies regarding the intelligence agencies that were a problem regardless of the competence of Bush's vs. Obama's "teams."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You don't know any of this hazl.
    The scary part is he believes this ****.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    The scary part is he believes this ****.
    It's generally wise not to believe in "what ifs," unless there's pretty solid rationale for doing so.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Tess - I think you may be on to something. The raid was authorized on April 29. Is there anyway DNA confirmation works that fast?
    Yeah thinking the same thing. Aircraft carrier probably. State of the art equipment on hand to get the body underwater in 24 hrs. Still... Damn details.
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