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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah, the Wonderful World of Disney.

    The economy and wars happening 2+ years into Obama's Presidency....BUSH'S FAULT. Something occuring 9 months into Bush's term in office....BUSH'S FAULT.

    The flat out blaming of 9/11 on Clinton is idiotically narrow focused, but the hypocrisy of your normally narrow focused self when it comes to anything happening under Obama's watch that you can blame on Bush suddenly becoming far more of a wide view when it comes to things happening while Bush was in office is ironic. God forbid there be consistency in your views.
    Oh...how wrong you are Zyph. If you knew me....you would know that I have faulted Obama for continuing Bush's wars. We should have been out of Iraq a long time ago. I disagree with Iraq under Bush...and I disagreed with Iraq under Obama. I initially agreed with Bush on Afghanistan, until he took his eye off the prize. I disagreed with Obama increasing our efforts in Afghanistan and still wonder whether the cause is worth it. I congratulated Bush on capturing Saddam Hussein, who was a horrible man....even though I disagreed that it justified the costs we spent in terms of money and lives...I congratulate Obama on capturing Bin Laden, who was a horrible man, even though I struggle with whether 10 years down the road it was worth the cost.

    As for the economy...I have said public that I have been disappointed by Obama's performance on the economy and agree that despite this turn of events, whether or not he is re-elected is going to depend on the state of the economy. I do, fault GWB for the mess that he left this country with....however, I recognize that Obama has done little to improve upon that mess.

    Do I fault GWB for 911? No....I never have. I have faulted his response to 911 which I thought and still think was completely inept and idiotic. The closest I have come to saying that GWB was responsible for 911 is to point out to those who want to blame Clinton, that it occurred on GWB's watch, not Clinton's. I don't believe that Bush could have likely prevented 911 and I don't believe for a minute that he was somehow involved in it....

    Just setting the record straight.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ah...yes....the blame Clinton card, although 911 occurred well into Bush's watch.....
    And the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, and 5 other attacks that AQ took credit for, led by Osama, took place under Clinton's.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, and 5 other attacks that AQ took credit for, led by Osama, took place under Clinton's.
    I actually lived in Brooklyn when the first bombing went off. Those guys went to jail. Oh the guys building another bomb in my Brooklyn neighborhood also got busted.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Do you really believe this crap? I'm all about giving President Obama the credit for making the decision to go....Clinton and Carter probably wouldn't have....but come on....that crap is just crybaby partisan nonsense. President Obama didn't DO it.
    Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.
    If the mission had failed we probably would have heard very, very little about it.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.

    I disagree on one point. I don't think that finding OBL was any greater a priority than any other President's would be. But he is the man occupying the chair so he gets the credit. I don't care as long as OBL has been got.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If the mission had failed we probably would have heard very, very little about it.

    It would have been on every single right wing blog and used as political fodder.

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    For the record, I was never blaming Clinton. I was extending the logic of the statements of others here, specifically the "if Bush hadn't dropped the ball Obama wouldn't have had to...." arguments. I was also making a point regarding selective memory.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It would have been on every single right wing blog and used as political fodder.
    You mean like how sites like Daily KOS, and Media Matters, etc treated Bush? Awwww, cry me a river.

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