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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I was waiting for this. The GOP hates.... HATES when the opposition does something awesome. Now Im waiting for them to bash Obama somehow and/ or make it look like THEY are the victors.

    OH!!!!!! WAIT!!!!!!!!!!



    There it is!!!
    j-mac has a point. Obama deserve credit for taking the opportunity to take OBL out, nothing more. In the grand scheme of things, this was sweet vengeance but it pales in comparison with the other real problems facing our country now.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    j-mac has a point. Obama deserve credit for taking the opportunity to take OBL out, nothing more. In the grand scheme of things, this was sweet vengeance but it pales in comparison with the other real problems facing our country now.
    It does pale in comparison. However, I sincerely hope this will be a morale booster of sorts so people can look across party lines and work together to get our economic problems in order.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It does pale in comparison. However, I sincerely hope this will be a morale booster of sorts so people can look across party lines and work together to get our economic problems in order.
    Maybe for the next week or two, if that lol.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To be clear, labeling this as an "Obama accomplishment" seems a little much. Any President occupying the WH would have ordered the same action hopefully. You make it sound like Barry suited up in black fatigues and single handedly repelled down and with knife in teeth, snuck up and shot himself.

    Let's give credit where credit is due, and I am glad that Obama gave the order to kill OBL, but the real credit goes to the Seal teams that got the job done.

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    if it were a repub in the whitehouse, you would be tripping over yourself to give him credit.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I was waiting for this. The GOP hates.... HATES when the opposition does something awesome.
    Not at all. Obama is our President, that means everyones President, unlike the partisan BS that normally takes place, You'll notice that I did give him credit, and a congrats for being a part of this success. Even though you won't admit that part.

    Now Im waiting for them to bash Obama somehow and/ or make it look like THEY are the victors.
    Nonsense. I didn't do that.

    OH!!!!!! WAIT!!!!!!!!!!

    Just remember liberals... this (Bin Laden's death), like EVERYTHING ELSE...

    Is BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!
    There it is!!!
    Are you really trying to say that I said this? You disingenuous little $^$%^$#! If you were even remotely truthful you'd make clear that I offered my congratulations instead of lying about what others say.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if it were a repub in the whitehouse, you would be tripping over yourself to give him credit.
    Yuppers! Face the fact GOP...... a DEMOCRAT brought down Bin Laden. Sure Obama didnt go out and shoot him but he reached out and made the call. Obama deserves at least SOME credit. Give it to him. If not..... I shall provide verbal grief for all conservatives for the next 48 hours.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Maybe for the next week or two, if that lol.
    I'd be interested in the opinion poll jumps for Obama....and then the results when it comes to specific issues.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if it were a repub in the whitehouse, you would be tripping over yourself to give him credit.
    I'd like to think that I'd give the same congrats that I gave Obama for the same actions, but to say that I would have acted differently in speculation based solely on emotion, yours that is, is well, just plain dumb....sorry.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all. Obama is our President, that means everyones President, unlike the partisan BS that normally takes place, You'll notice that I did give him credit, and a congrats for being a part of this success. Even though you won't admit that part.



    Nonsense. I didn't do that.



    Are you really trying to say that I said this? You disingenuous little $^$%^$#! If you were even remotely truthful you'd make clear that I offered my congratulations instead of lying about what others say.

    j-mac
    No man Whovian said that in another Bin Laden thread. I didnt imply that YOU said it. Now I suppose you want restitution. Ill send you a GOP cake with an elephant and everything.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'd be interested in the opinion poll jumps for Obama....and then the results when it comes to specific issues.
    Definately going to boost his numbers.

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