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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So please address the statement made in several articles that part of this military action was a result of intelligence gathered as far back as 2006. Surely if we weren't focused on Osama then such valuable information wouldn't have come to light until later, or not at all. Surely our intelligence would have been focused elsewhere, given Bush's complete lack of care or focus on all things Osama.
    If this report is accurate, the intel on the courier came from Gitmo.

    Detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

    American intelligence officials said Sunday night that they finally learned the courier’s real name four years ago, but that it took another two years for them to learn the general region where he operated.
    Bin Laden Captured Through Detective Work - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Geez people... even Obama gave Bush some credit in this.

    Get over yourselves and your hatred of all things Bush.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Intensive efforts were underway to try to find Osama Bin Laden prior to President Obama's taking office. For example, CNN reported, "Four years ago: Officials uncovered the courier's identity."

    The successful effort that brought Bin Laden to justice rested on the accumulated body of work from efforts that had gone back many years. Credit that belongs to all the efforts that culminated in the successful operation--no matter how far back those efforts extended--and the people involved should not be denied strictly because it doesn't fit the desired political timelines or narratives. The successful operation isn't a partisan success. It is an American success.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    If this report is accurate, the intel on the courier came from Gitmo.



    Bin Laden Captured Through Detective Work - NYTimes.com
    LD, there's already a separate thread on this, good for another discussion:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...ens-death.html
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I am listening to NPR right now and a reporter from the BBC said that were Osama was it would be incredibly difficult for the Pakistani Army to not have known and that right wing groups are protesting the US.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    "joy", "elation"...



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well obviously not all of those in Pakistan or the Pakistani state otherwise the army would not have been fighting the Taliban. Like I say in order for Bin Laden to live in a mansion in a military town he would need the support of some elements of the military/ISI, and its clear from wikileaks etc. that some elements of the ISI are arming the Taliban. However its unclear whether this is being mandatated by the elected government or whether this is a case of certain factions doing whatever they please. Possibly its a case of the Taliban/Al Qaeda infiltrating the ISI or possibly its a case of the military giving some support the Taliban and Al Qaeda in order to justify intrusive role in Pakistani politics, who knows? Its intresting you brought this up as it reminds me alot of the Ergenekon case in Turkey.
    It's basically members of the military establishment pushing in one direction and the other half of the military pushing policy in another. It's happening in the ISI and it's happening in the Pakistan government so it's like we have two sets of government, two sets of ISI and two sets of Pakistan armed forces each with their own agenda.

    It's why the country has its hand's tide in dealing with issues on the ground. In that respect it is similar to ergenekon, only the Turks make Pakistan look boring.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    It would seem from BBC reports that this six foot five inch Arab was living among Pakistanis, whose average height is almost a foot less less than that, only half a mile from a large garrison of the troops tasked with finding him. How odd.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    TheBlaze has a great live blog that updates everytime something new comes in about this story. What a great idea!

    Live Blog: Osama bin Laden is Dead | The Blaze


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    TheBlaze has a great live blog that updates everytime something new comes in about this story. What a great idea!

    Live Blog: Osama bin Laden is Dead | The Blaze
    ROFLMFAO!!!!

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