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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The Taliban's Commander in Chief is now dead.
    I may be mistaken, but iirc, ObL wasn't the leader of the Taliban. I think that Taleban is a separate group from aQ that made an alliance with it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Uh-oh. The Mayor detects either falsehood or ignorance from this poster.

    Bing "Soviet Ambassador protests appointment of Osama bin Laden to Taliban Commander in Chief, August, 2001"
    No results found for "Soviet Ambassador protests appointment of Osama bin Laden to Taliban Commander in Chief, August, 2001".

    "Soviet Ambassador protests appointment of Osama bin Laden to Taliban Commander in Chief, August, 2001" - Bing
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I may be mistaken, but iirc, ObL wasn't the leader of the Taliban. I think that Taleban is a separate group from aQ that made an alliance with it.
    Not to mention that they aren't a unified organization, but instead a collection of factious groups with different leaders. To the degree that they do have leaders, Mullah Omar and the Mehsuds are very much alive.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It happened a few weeks ago. Obama only made the announcement just yesterday.
    But during his speech last night he said, "yesterday, I authorized a task force...." ...he contradicted himself, too..because a few sentences earlier he said, "last week"...I thought maybe it was just a stumble (he had a few...i don't fault him on the teleprompter use, but you can tell he's using one...) and ignored it..but then I read articles this morning..some saying "last week" and some saying "Saturday". Also, the whole "burial at sea" thing was supposed to be about burying him w/i 24 hours of death, which is the Islamic protocol.

    It's all a little fuzzy, I guess.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Just a quick pop in....Congrats to the Navy Seals for this great day! they are America's best!


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They said this earlier that interrogations of KSM led to knowledge about a personal courier of bin Laden.
    Dude, quite holding out, Give us your source already.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    But during his speech last night he said, "yesterday, I authorized a task force...." ...he contradicted himself, too..because a few sentences earlier he said, "last week"...I thought maybe it was just a stumble (he had a few...i don't fault him on the teleprompter use, but you can tell he's using one...) and ignored it..but then I read articles this morning..some saying "last week" and some saying "Saturday". Also, the whole "burial at sea" thing was supposed to be about burying him w/i 24 hours of death, which is the Islamic protocol.

    It's all a little fuzzy, I guess.
    Tess - I think you may be on to something. The raid was authorized on April 29. Is there anyway DNA confirmation works that fast?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Can we verify the claims of those who have been here longer any better?
    Actually, yes, we can. The longer someone stays and makes posts, the more likely they will slip up or say things that confirm their claims. Getting to know someone does allow us to verify it better. That's not to say that it's iron clad, but it is "better."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    People make all sorts of claims about themselves here, and pulling this "Noob" business in order to invalidate one claim vs. any other has no merit.
    Also, asking us to take something on faith because some anonymous internet poster says he has credentials has no merit.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It happened a few weeks ago. Obama only made the announcement just yesterday.
    Cite please.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The raid was authorized on April 29. Is there anyway DNA confirmation works that fast?
    Two quick things:

    The date a raid is authorized does not necessarily mean that the raid took place on that date. The raid took place on the date it was ordered (5/1).

    Second, with respect to the DNA evidence, CNN reported, "DNA matching is under way on samples from his body, the official said."

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