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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This is my first response since the announcement of his death and surprisingly, I'm not feeling what everyone else seems to be.

    I don't feel joy, happiness, relief, or like this is an occasion to celebrate, and I'm not really sure why. What I do know is he shouldn't have been able to escape justice for 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, and in that sense I feel like he was the winner, not us. Kind of like "too little, too late." The other thing is, no matter what the man did, something inside of me can't find joy in the death of anyone. I would have much rather seen him captured so he would have to face up to what he did, even though I realize the nightmare that would have caused...

    Anyway, I just had to get that out.
    Really. That's surprising. I find myself very fulfilled at the notion of UBL's death and at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Certainly I have no misgivings about the effects of such an action and I'm not kidding myself that somehow the terrorism in this world is irrevocably changed today because it's not. But there's a sense of fulfillment and closure. It's like a very long fever has finally broken; we're not well yet but at least that part of the sickness is over.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Of course it was years in the making, but Obama deserves credit for refocusing the effort on Afghanistan and Pakistan. He made a promise in 2008 that they would get bin Laden and he kept it. He went forward with the Afghan surge when many people in his own party were against. He did what he was supposed to do - that's the point.
    I just don't think people should be given all that much credit for meeting expectations, that's all.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm wondering what makes you say that, Grim.
    I guess I'm a bit disappointed that it took 10 years to get him. Disappointed in America to a degree, but very disappointed that there are so many people in the world that had to know where the man was, and felt it justified to remain silent and allow such a murderer to remain free.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    How about you let us debate this significant issue without any BS restrictions? k thanks.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by gekaap View Post
    After invading Iraq and Afghanistan, none of it fixed the economy, the spending problem our government had, the devaluing of the dollar, the debt, or the albatross that health care has become in our country. But it still worked for Bush.
    Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan. And what we spend on our military pales in comparison to what we spend on entitlements and pork. The more you know!
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Really. That's surprising. I find myself very fulfilled at the notion of UBL's death and at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Certainly I have no misgivings about the effects of such an action and I'm not kidding myself that somehow the terrorism in this world is irrevocably changed today because it's not. But there's a sense of fulfillment and closure. It's like a very long fever has finally broken; we're not well yet but at least that part of the sickness is over.
    Don't get the wrong Idea... I supported both wars and felt very happy and joyful when we got Saddam and brought him to justice. I wish I could explain the way I'm feeling, but I just can't... and believe me, I'm as surprised as you are about it.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Just so people know, this operation was YEARS in the making, and the intelligence community was very patient and deliberate in planning this. They, and those SEAL boys deserves a hell of a lot of credit for pulling this off. Again I've said this before but I'm not keen on giving Obama too much credit for this one. He did what he was supposed to do.
    By a few accounts I've read, this action was based on intelligent that has been shaping up since 2006. I think both Bush and Obama deserve an "atta boy" on this one. It would not have been wise for either of them to provide a weekly update of intelligence, or of the progress on tracking Osama. That's like telling the your mom you're throwing her a surprise party next Tuesday. We knew nothing of Obama's actions since 2009 when he took office in regards to Osama. We knew nothing or little of Bush's actions, either.

    To say "Bush failed, hahahahahahaha, Obama's a strategist GOD" is a bit....unrealistic. Osama has a very small circle. He uses that circle to do all of his communicating. He keeps few people "in the know" about himself. He disavows modern technology. It isn't like tracing my IP address and knowing I'm in Carrollton, TX right now. You have to rely on word of mouth from people we can't really trust. I get why it took so long to get him...I wish it hadn't..but I get it.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    The title of this thread is "Osama Bin Laden is Dead".

    I have one question : HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ? (has anyone seen the body ?)

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Scanner View Post
    The title of this thread is "Osama Bin Laden is Dead".

    I have one question : HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ? (has anyone seen the body ?)
    I'm waiting for the Afghan death certificate. Long form.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I fear this as well. I wonder if there will be any attempts at retaliation.
    I don't fear that aQ has been slacking up 'til now. I suspect they'll keep working as hard as always.
    I may be wrong.

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