• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Osama Bin Laden is dead

Nicely done Mr. President, Nicely done. Probably could have killed him a lot sooner if Bush didn't get sidetracked with another war in Iraq.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
I said it once and I'll say it again. Obama deserves no congrats for this...he didn't do anything but was briefed on intel and gave the go ahead. I don't credit to bush for capturing saddam, he didn't do anything. Obama is nothing more than the president at the time we got him. It's foolish to think he really had anything to do with the kill. He was 8000 miles away.
Click to expand...

Obama directed our attention to be refocused on finding bin Laden, and made it a top priority for the agencies under his direction
Obama gave the orders to devote more resources to finding bin Laden than our country had committed toward that end in years
Obama recieved the intel, evaluated the intel, and maked the ultimate decisions on what intel to pursue or not pursue
Obama made the decisions on when to make a military strike, and ordered the military into action
Obama gave the orders to kill bin Laden, as opposed to taking him into custody alive
 
tessaesque said:
Without the DNA we'd have to be pretty certain to make an announcement then, eh? I wonder what made them certain enough of his identity to go ahead with the announcement. Perhaps autopsy findings? I mean, I'm sure the guy didn't have an AQ member's card in his wallet or anything...

Just curious...
Click to expand...

He was a dialysis patient as well, which would leave telltale scars.

If there is anything odd, I would suspect a Jessica Lynch lily-guilding situation rather than some real "conspiracy", by the way.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
As one who has seen horrible things happen to bad and good people in my life, I can tell you the "elation" won't last. It's good to have the emotional release, but it will rebound in a few days. yes, both feelings are valid, however, only one is being propped up by mainstream media, and that pisses me off a bit.


I'm happy the ****er is dead, They should have buried his ass in a pig carcuss facing south at the foot of the "freedom tower", I am also contemplative as to the meaning of this death, and what it means in the bigger picture of my loss. Elation, rejoicing, to me is not accurate.
Click to expand...

MSNBC had an interview with two women who feel the way you do this afternoon. Ratigan, I believe, as he lost several people that day as well.

Sorry for your loss, man.
 
Erod said:
That, and the fact we decided to do this UNILATERALLY.

I give Obama props for forgoing his previously stated "principles" entirely and allowing our intelligence operations to get this job done. He and Bush should have a beer together.
Click to expand...



Synopsis:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

-GW Bush, March 22, 2002
 
danarhea said:
Synopsis:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

-GW Bush, March 22, 2002
Click to expand...

I would say that too. Not exactly that way but about the same. Either way Obama got em! :)
 
danarhea said:


Synopsis:

"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

-GW Bush, March 22, 2002
Click to expand...


What does this mean to you? And can you post the full transcript of the question he was answering?
 
mac said:
What does this mean to you? And can you post the full transcript of the question he was answering?
Click to expand...

Look at the video. It is what Bush said, in Bush's own words, by Bush.
 
danarhea said:
Look at the video. It is what Bush said, in Bush's own words, by Bush.
Click to expand...

That's not what I asked...can you at least describe the question that was asked? Or put this into context in anyway?
 
Even though Bin Laden is dead how much you want to bet we won't be in Afghanistan for another year if not more?
 
AndrewC23 said:
Even though Bin Laden is dead how much you want to bet we won't be in Afghanistan for another year if not more?
Click to expand...

"we won't be in Afghanistan for another year if not more?"

uhm...what?
 
Okay are you the president where did you get this information from?
 
I'm so very glad we finally got OBL. I think President Obama deserves the credit for taking out public enemy #1. I want to give GW Bush credit, but I can't because he had the SOB dead in his sights, trapped in the hills of Tora Bora on both sides - he had nowhere else to go - and he called off the pursuit. It took over 8 years from that time to this before someone within government to finally get a clue and simply follow the couriers. (My wife and I had been saying it for years considering that's how he's been getting videos to Al Jazeera all these years.)

I've always known (or rather "believed") OBL was inside Pakistan. I never thought for a second he was anywhere else. Maybe the Pakistan central government didn't know for sure he was there, but their military and intell agency knew. Regardless, I think US/Pakistan relations will be strained from here on out because they just can't be trusted. I mean, we'd have had him long ago if all levels of their government had cooperated fully from the start. I mean, we warned them about accepting the Taliban, but they didn't listen and sufferred the consequences for it with domestic terrorism within their out boarders by them.

I do believe we have to be even more diligent from here on out because people loyal to OBL and Al Quada will seek retribution for killing their defacto leader. If our men and women in uniform stated abroad weren't on high alert before, they certainly should be now!

As for the War on Terror in Afghanistan, I think we should start pulling our troops out. If Harmid Karsid (spell check) along with the Afghan people honestly believe we are occupiers of their country rather than being their to help them while also fighting against those terrorist elements that did harm to our people on our soil, then I say leave them ASAP! After all, unlike when the Afghan/Soviet war ended, they do have a government in place now. So, I say leave and let them government themselves from here on out. As far as I'm concerned, "the mission IS finally accomplished!"

As to who gets the reward money for OBL getting killed, I'd say the person who gave them the most direct intel on exactly where he was whomever that person may be.

And that's my :twocents: worth on the subject.
 
Last edited:
dontworrybehappy said:
I said it once and I'll say it again. Obama deserves no congrats for this...he didn't do anything but was briefed on intel and gave the go ahead. I don't credit to bush for capturing saddam, he didn't do anything. Obama is nothing more than the president at the time we got him. It's foolish to think he really had anything to do with the kill. He was 8000 miles away.
Click to expand...

If this mission failed and the American soldiers were killed you would have been the first to blame Obama too.

Most remember how Carter was given the blame for the failed rescue attempt of hostages in Iran. Unfortunately trying to fly low under radar the helicopters suffered engine problems due to the flying sand and we lost 8 servicemen.

The buck stops at the oval office, failures and success.
 
Objective Voice said:
I'm so very glad we finally got OBL. I think President Obama deserves the credit for taking out public enemy #1. I want to give GW Bush credit, but I can't because he had the SOB dead in his sights, trapped in the hills of Tora Bora on both sides - he had nowhere else to go - and he called off the pursuit. It took over 8 years from that time to this before someone within government to finally get a clue and simply follow the couriers. (My wife and I had been saying it for years considering that's how he's been getting videos to Al Jazeera all these years.)

I've always known (or rather "believed") OBL was inside Pakistan. I never thought for a second he was anywhere else. Maybe the Pakistan central government didn't know for sure he was there, but their military and intell agency knew. Regardless, I think US/Pakistan relations will be strained from here on out because they just can't be trusted. I mean, we'd have had him long ago if all levels of their government had cooperated fully from the start. I mean, we warned them about accepting the Taliban, but they didn't listen and sufferred the consequences for it with domestic terrorism within their out boarders by them.

I do believe we have to be even more diligent from here on out because people loyal to OBL and Al Quada will seek retribution for killing their defacto leader. If our men and women in uniform stated abroad weren't on high alert before, they certainly should be now!

As for the War on Terror in Afghanistan, I think we should start pulling our troops out. If Harmid Karsid (spell check) along with the Afghan people honestly believe we are occupiers of their country rather than being their to help them while also fighting against those terrorist elements that did harm to our people on our soil, then I say leave them ASAP! After all, unlike when the Afghan/Soviet war ended, they do have a government in place now. So, I say leave and let them government themselves from here on out. As far as I'm concerned, "the mission IS finally accomplished!"

As to who gets the reward money for OBL getting killed, I'd say the person who gave them the most direct intel on exactly where he was whomever that person may be.

And that's my :twocents: worth on the subject.
Click to expand...

If he was in Pakistan, how could he be in the the hills of Tora Bora?

Maybe Bush knew something the rest of us didn't?

And of course they got the revelation of who the couriers were as a result of water boarding. George Bush deserves credit for that.
 
Obama gave a great speech, and did an excellent job presiding over the hunt for OBL. Good on ya, Mr. President.
 
ElCid said:
Obama gave a great speech, and did an excellent job presiding over the hunt for OBL. Good on ya, Mr. President.
Click to expand...

Agreed. Ultimately he was the one who made the final decision.
 
Grant said:
Agreed. Ultimately he was the one who made the final decision.
Click to expand...

Yeah.....this is third thing the guy has done that I liked. I hope he doesn't keep this up. I don't want to starting liking him.
 
ElCid said:
Yeah.....this is third thing the guy has done that I liked. I hope he doesn't keep this up. I don't want to starting liking him.
Click to expand...

Out of curiosity, what were the first two?
 
I wonder if Jello Biafra will start a punk band called the Dead Bin Ladens" and dedicated a song called "Holiday in Afghanistan"
 
mac said:
try this again sober.
Click to expand...

I am sober unfortunately and how do you know when the war in Afghanistan is going to end are you the great Nostradamus? Can you predict the future?
 
ElCid said:
Obama gave a great speech, and did an excellent job presiding over the hunt for OBL. Good on ya, Mr. President.
Click to expand...

I guess that's your clever way of saying that Obama doesn't deserve any actual credit.
 
Grant said:
If he was in Pakistan, how could he be in the the hills of Tora Bora?

Maybe Bush knew something the rest of us didn't?

And of course they got the revelation of who the couriers were as a result of water boarding. George Bush deserves credit for that.
Click to expand...

He was in Tora Bora 8 years ago. We never knew where he went after he escaped. Bush failed. Obama picked up what was left and finished the job that Bush couldn't.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom