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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    "preeminent source"

    "unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    "only after his spirit was broken"

    "terrorist tutorials"

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of before"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    ig report, released by doj, aug, 2009

    thanks for the opportunity to repeat mr helgerson's conclusions

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    Cheney said the same thing, that doesn't make it true.

    Cheney's CIA memos don't show what he said they'd show. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

    You are reading stuff into what he said and assuming.

    Interrogation Experts From Every Branch of the Military and Intelligence Agree: Torture DOESN’T Produce Useful Information | The Big Picture



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the link has been posted at least a dozen times, count your own pages

    meanwhile: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    direct quote from john l helgerson, cia ig, as made public by holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009

    Er, wrong.

    • The CIA’s own Inspector General wrote that waterboarding was not “efficacious” in producing information.

    Interrogation Experts From Every Branch of the Military and Intelligence Agree: Torture DOESN’T Produce Useful Information | The Big Picture
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    This article only claims he "cooperated" - does not mention what information he provided, if that info was helpful in finding OBL. Like I said before, you are reading stuff that is not there into what this article says. Cooperated could mean many things, maybe he was no longer combative, or disagreeable, - still does not say he provided info they found useful.

    From your link:
    Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    LOL!

    the ig's conclusions speak for themselves

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    after a month of brutal eit's in a secret prison in europe ksm "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    ksm "transformed" into langley's "preeminent source on aq"

    the 9-11 mastermind conducted "terrorist tutorials"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    america is grateful to barack the slasher hussein for failing so comprehensively in his repeated and wrong minded attempts to undo the anti terror policies of his predecessors---including detention, gitmo and the patriot act---thus allowing our diligent agents and heroic seals to realize this historic assassination

    USA!

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    mertex, would you say that Slate, and some blog may not be the most objective sourcing?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    mertex, would you say that Slate, and some blog may not be the most objective sourcing?
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    I agree with you. But,to some degree it wouldn't matter if The Lord God rode down on a chariot of glory and proclaimed something.

    http://armed-services.senate.gov/Pub...022%202009.pdf
    http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/01-01.htm
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    I have to credit the President and his team with getting Osama. President Obama gave the green light and VICTORY by the navy seals!

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I agree with you. But,to some degree it wouldn't matter if The Lord God rode down on a chariot of glory and proclaimed something.

    http://armed-services.senate.gov/Pub...022%202009.pdf
    http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/01-01.htm
    Well, at this point you are probably right. Those entrenched in what worked, and what didn't are set in their opinions. What gets me is how those that couldn't stand what the Bush administration was doing in terms of the WoT, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and largely silent now, when Obama is continuing the exact same policies.

    It's all hypocritical.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliticalMama View Post
    I have to credit the President and his team with getting Osama. President Obama gave the green light and VICTORY by the navy seals!
    Could you imagine if we had found out later that Obama had scuttled the mission to get him? I don't think he had a choice really.

    Remember, Obama thinks of everything in terms of political gain, or damage.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Could you imagine if we had found out later that Obama had scuttled the mission to get him? I don't think he had a choice really.

    Remember, Obama thinks of everything in terms of political gain, or damage.

    j-mac
    But he didn't so we don't have to think about that. And I believe that every PRESIDENT or potential president thinks of everything in terms of political gain or damage. That's how they all think which is why we are in the mess we are in due to both parties.

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