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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ig's...USA!
    so, no page number for the quote I asked about?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    the link has been posted at least a dozen times, count your own pages

    meanwhile: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    direct quote from john l helgerson, cia ig, as made public by holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the link has been posted at least a dozen times, count your own pages
    Let me be more blunt.
    As you know, I have read the report more than once and have quoted it extensively in replies to you in particular. Now, mind you, this isn't c&p quoting, but manually transcribing from the god-awful scan job that was released.
    The quote in question does NOT exists in that report.
    If I am wrong, please tell me what page it is on so that we can all see how wrong I am about it.


    and, fyi, the pages are numbered, so you won't have to count them. You can just look at the page. The page number will be set aside from the other print on the page--usually page numbers are on margins of the page, usually on the top or the bottom margin.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Let me be more blunt.
    As you know, I have read the report more than once and have quoted it extensively in replies to you in particular. Now, mind you, this isn't c&p quoting, but manually transcribing from the god-awful scan job that was released.
    The quote in question does NOT exists in that report.
    If I am wrong, please tell me what page it is on so that we can all see how wrong I am about it.


    and, fyi, the pages are numbered, so you won't have to count them. You can just look at the page. The page number will be set aside from the other print on the page--usually page numbers are on margins of the page, usually on the top or the bottom margin.
    Judging from his response, I think he understands what you're asking him for.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    yup, the facts

    per the ig report endorsed by eric holder's doj, aug, 2009

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    after a month of brutal eit's in a secret prison in europe ksm "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    ksm "transformed" into langley's "preeminent source on aq"

    the 9-11 mastermind conducted "terrorist tutorials"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    thanks!

    and thanks to president barack the slasher hussein for FAILING in his peurile, political purpose of purging his predecessor's policies

    the entire nation is grateful to all responsible for this historic GET

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Alright then.

    It's conceded that the quote, "only after his spirit was broken," does not come from the IG report as previously stated.

    I recognize most of the other quotes from the report. Since they are presented as clauses and phrases, I shouldn't have to point out that they are being presented w/o context, because that's pretty much as literally w/o context as you can get. But, this being the int4rwebz, I will go ahead and point out that the clauses and phrases being presented are presented out of context.

    Further, some of the context that these phrase exist in, (in their natural state), is contrary to the position taken by the poster who presenting the quotes w/o context. If this weren't t3h int4rwebz, I wouldn't've said that because it's borderline needless to say. But this is teh intarwebz, so I will go ahead and say it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    LOL!

    After enduring the CIA's harshest interrogation methods and spending more than a year in the agency's secret prisons, Khalid Sheik Mohammed stood before U.S. intelligence officers in a makeshift lecture hall, leading what they called "terrorist tutorials."
    These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques.
    The debate over the effectiveness of subjecting detainees to psychological and physical pressure is in some ways irresolvable, because it is impossible to know whether less coercive methods would have achieved the same result. But for defenders of waterboarding, the evidence is clear: Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.
    "Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," [helgerson] said in an interview.
    Mohammed described plans to strike targets in Saudi Arabia, East Asia and the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks, including using a network of Pakistanis "to target gas stations, railroad tracks, and the Brooklyn bridge in New York." Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad.

    "Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of who we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary.
    Mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al-Qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, the summary said, including describing in "considerable detail the traits and profiles" that al-Qaeda sought in Western operatives and how the terrorist organization might conduct surveillance in the United States.
    link above

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!
    link above
    Not exactly the IG's report. But you did include a context of some sort, so, good on that.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    you did include a context of some sort
    i included nothing, the ig report speaks for itself

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