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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I've made this remark before - Marc Thiessen - Bush's speech writer is supposed to be more knowledgeable than CIA officials?

    Both he and Mohammed withheld or fabricated information, even after the agency's toughest interrogations. That gave credence to what many longtime interrogators have maintained, that increasingly harsh questioning produces information[B] but not necessarily reliable information.
    What is reliable information? CIA, Bush, mainstream media?

    In a sensational and explosive TV report, the Pakistani News Agency has provided a live interview with an eye witness to the US attack on the alleged compound of Osama bin Laden. The eye witness, Mohammad Bashir, describes the event as it unfolded. Of the three helicopters, “there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them up, but as he [the helicopter] was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.” The witness says that there were no survivors, just dead bodies and pieces of bodies everywhere. “We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing.”

    I always wondered how a helicopter could crash, as the White House reported, without at least producing injuries. Yet, in the original White House story, the SEALs not only survived a 40-minute firefight with al Qaeda, “the most highly trained, most dangerous, most vicious killers on the planet,” without a scratch, but also survived a helicopter crash without a scratch.

    The Pakistani news report is available on you tube. The Internet site, Veterans Today, posted a translation along with a video of the interview. Information Clearing House made it available on May 17. * Bin Laden Raid:** : Operation Was Not Successful - Eye Witness Claims: :***** Information Clearing House: ICH
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    Other than on the Veterans Today and ICH Internet sites, I have not seen any mention of the Pakistani news story. If the White House press corps is aware of the report, no one has asked President Obama or his press spokesperson about it. Helen Thomas was the last American reporter sufficiently brave to ask such a question, and she was exterminated by the Israel Lobby.

    Is the US Driving the World Towards World War III: Osama's Alleged Compound. How Many SEALs Died?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    What is reliable information? CIA, Bush, mainstream media?
    In the matter of "water-boarding" I would tend to believe a CIA official over a speech-writer for the President.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I've made this remark before - Marc Thiessen - Bush's speech writer is supposed to be more knowledgeable than CIA officials?

    Both he and Mohammed withheld or fabricated information, even after the agency's toughest interrogations. That gave credence to what many longtime interrogators have maintained, that increasingly harsh questioning produces information but not necessarily reliable information.
    Renewed debate over CIA tactics, both sides claim they're vindicated by bin Laden's death - 5/7/2011 12:37:36 PM | Newser

    Oh please. If you had read what is being said, it wasn't the EIT's that were the yield of intel, but after their spirit to resist was broken then more traditional methods could be used.

    BTW, do you know of a method that is 100% reliable in intel gathering? I don't. And I spent 6 years in the Army including the 101st.

    All intel has to be verified.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please. If you had read what is being said, it wasn't the EIT's that were the yield of intel, but after their spirit to resist was broken then more traditional methods could be used.

    BTW, do you know of a method that is 100% reliable in intel gathering? I don't. And I spent 6 years in the Army including the 101st.

    All intel has to be verified.

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    Which is silly on its face, as this was not close enough in time for that to remotely be true. You just can't link EITs to this effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You just can't link EITs to this effort.
    except that's exactly what the cia's inspector general did in his summation

    that'd be the report eric holder's doj published on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    except that's exactly what the cia's inspector general did in his summation

    that'd be the report eric holder's doj published on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009
    No, it isn't. He said nothing about this intel and gave nothing as an example to prove his claim. Neither have you.

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    "preeminent source"

    "unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    "only after his spirit was broken"

    "terrorist tutorials"

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of before"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    ig report, released by doj, aug, 2009

    thanks for the opportunity to repeat mr helgerson's conclusions

    most helpful

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    "only after his spirit was broken"
    ig report, released by doj, aug, 2009
    On which page did you find this quote?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Prof, you're not answering my point at all. I have no desire to waste my time with your silliness.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    ig's are ig's, doj's are eric holder, and quotes are quotes

    straight from the ig's summary

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    after a month of brutal eit's in a secret prison in europe ksm "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    ksm "transformed" into langley's "preeminent source on aq"

    the 9-11 mastermind conducted "terrorist tutorials"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    thanks!

    america is grateful barack the slasher hussein was so utterly incompetent he completely failed to undo the key elements of anti terror policy he inherited from previous administrations---including gitmo, detention and the patriot act---thus allowing the accomplishment of this awesome assassination

    USA!

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