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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    no

    ten characters
    (Un)surprisingly people here just don't understand why.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Let's recap.
    1) Osama has no control
    Not now.

    He's dead.

    Yesterday? It's uncertain.

    2) Osama has become functionally irrelevant
    This statement is semantically identical to the first one.

    3) Killing Osama removes our biggest propaganda attack on Islamic terrorism
    In no way.

    Killing bin Laden is a banner message that says the US will hunt the terrorist down and kill him, if he can't be captured, no matter how long it takes.

    4) Killing Osama likely generates huge martyr issues
    Arresting him was going to do the same, and there's no arguing about that. Those kooks were beheading people because some fool in Florida burned a stupid book, they're going to go ballistic when they learn their hero's brains have been splattered in the mosque at prayer, and never you mind that you and the Mayor and every other person on this side of the oceans knows otherwise, that story is going to be the story told over there.

    My question now is why didn't we just gas the compound?
    Janet Reno retired, and besides, she wouldn't have done anything unless there were children present.

    I'm not one for symbolic victories. I'm for getting us out of this mess without compromising security.
    Guess what?

    Ain't gonna happen that way. Terrorism based on religious hysteria isn't as cleanly defined as carrying the war to the Japanese until they surrender unconditionally. A symboloic victory is still a victory, and killing bin Laden is still a significant milestone, considering that the chance always existed for bin Laden to die in his own bed. That, at least, has been denied the enemy.

    What we most certainly not do is release bin Laden's body to his "next of kin". He should be cremated and his ashes scattered in the stratosphere over the Pacific Ocean, in secret.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The facts speak for themselves. Bush did not get the job done. Of course, if you want to investigate the litany of news reports from 2003-2006, it was very clear that the pursuit of Bin Laden and endeavors of Afghanistan were de-emphasized in favor of Iraq. Bush's own words per the posted video are an illustration of this. You are a student of politics. Surely you appreciate Bush's words were measured and designed to level set the American people not to expect Bin Laden to be brought to justice in the near future. This was either because they were not working on it, or Bush was acknowledging Bin Laden was out of our league. Which was it? Perhaps you are of the camp that believes Bin Laden's capabilities exceeded that of US intelligence and the military... for 1o years, no less Do you really believe our intelligence is that weak?

    Obama focused on it and got the job done in 2 years. The facts speak for themselves.

    I take your overly personal tirade as proof that I hit a raw nerve with the truth.
    Lol, you are painfully naive if you think presidents actually conduct these investigations and get these things done. They merely support people far more intelligent and capable than them, and say "yes" in the end.

    Obama is a community organizer who likes to play golf. He's not capable of any of this, nor was Bush. This is a military and CIA/FBI accomplishment.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Not now.

    He's dead.

    Yesterday? It's uncertain.
    Perhaps you should go read some declassified white papers.

    In no way.

    Killing bin Laden is a banner message that says the US will hunt the terrorist down and kill him, if he can't be captured, no matter how long it takes.
    Which basically proves you have no understanding of our enemy at all, in any way shape or form. One must wonder why you think you can talk about something you clearly lack even the most basic understanding of. These people want to die (where have to been the last 500 years?). An international trial with Muslim Lawyers would basically allow us to show that not only was he evil, responsible but that what he did was an affront to Islam.

    Arresting him was going to do the same, and there's no arguing about that. Those kooks were beheading people because some fool in Florida burned a stupid book, they're going to go ballistic when they learn their hero's brains have been splattered in the mosque at prayer, and never you mind that you and the Mayor and every other person on this side of the oceans knows otherwise, that story is going to be the story told over there.
    Putting someone on trial and prosecuting him with Muslim lawyers would have a far different effect that just capping him. You really don't understand the PR war do you?

    Janet Reno retired, and besides, she wouldn't have done anything unless there were children present.
    As in knockout gas. Like how the Russians did to the Chenchyna terrorists. Are you really that unaware of things in the past?

    Guess what?

    Ain't gonna happen that way.
    Then why are we so happy when this changes nothing?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Nothing says "American achievement" like a perforated corpse huh? Sorry, I won't be jumping in on the fist-pumping for a briefly sated blood lust nor will I participate in the little jig on someone's grave. My reaction was surprise and remorse. That a thread is set up to allow only rejoicing over a human being's death pains me even more. People finding that reaction reprehensible and immoral only bothers me for what it says about them.
    You're definition of a "human being" must be different than mine.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sorry, but in case you don't have a TV, Obama just won 2012 tonight.
    This is not about 2012. And for your information, today the American people won. THAT is what is important.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Congratulations to our troops and intel community for removing yet another terrorist idiot... and taking them out one-at-a-time.

    Now to a question/statement often made during the Bush years:

    Isn't this simply going to inflame terrorists and create more of them?

    I thought it was a retarded statement, but figure I'd let those that turned it into a chant juxtapose it against their current remarks.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Does this actually change anything?
    Obviously... Yes.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually hundreds of Muslims were killed in that attack.
    Just in case you failed to notice, EVERYONE who died in those attacks died in the United States. NO international body, and by NO the Mayor means none, zero, nada, the next integer smaller than 1, has any jurisdiction in the matter, and most especially not any body comprised of the religious faiths of the criminals who committed the acts.

    The matter was a crime in the United States and an act of war upon the United States. It was not an international crime and it was not an act of war involving the "nations of the world".

    Furthermore, Muslims are more likely to die of a terrorist attack than non-Muslims.
    Sounds fair. Ain't got nothing to do with the fact that Osama bin Laden, if captured by US forces, would have been rightly subjected to the American judicial system, one subset of which are US military tribunals.

    If muslims insist on tolerating terrorists in their midst, they're going to suffer from Islamic terrorism.

    And you have entirely failed to address my point. If you do not want to reply to what I said, DO NOT REPLY TO ME.
    The points you make are being replied to. If you do not want the points you make replied to, stop posting.

    That others are capable of seeing the points you make even though you do not isn't their problem.

    And how many had globally aired video confessions taking responsibility for their acts with hard evidence of planning, funding and training?
    Johnny Cochran would have had anything a silly as that tossed out on a technicality. The Mayor notes you refuse to discuss the one terrorism case Eric Holder actually tried in federal court.

    Wow. You really have no idea how modern Islamic terrorist cells work do you?
    Wow. You really have no idea how human societies organize and interact, do you? Especially primitive organizations such as those exemplified by tribal warlords and religios cult leaders. They may not have their dick in every pie, because of security concerns, but they're going to be aware of what's in the oven and who the chief bakers are.

    Caveman? Was the IRA a bunch of cavemen?
    Yes.

    Was the French Resistance to the Nazi a bunch of cavemen?
    You mean, after their compatriots surrendered without firing a shot? Yeah, prettty much. The Nazis certainly were. You're going to insist on not noticing that bin Laden was, in fact, shooting video from caves and mountains, aren't you?

    [quote]Your views are so simplistic and so ignorant of history that's laughable an adult would even have them. [quote]

    That's what you have? You're complaining that bin Laden was shot, and complaining that others are pointing out possible benefits and problems, and thereby challenging your perpetual "wish the US hadn't done that" position you're famous for?

    Too bad.

    It was the best thing possible that bin Laden was shot, dead, by an American, in his home. The negatives associated with that outcome are less severe than the negatives associated with the alternatives, as has been pointed out.

    So you think that we will be fighting this conflict forever? I'm not pushing policy that keeps billions flowing out of our coffers and thousands paying with their lives. You are.
    You don't have to be pushing policy. No one can recall voting for anyone named "obvious Child". Also, given that the conflict is driven by intolerant religious fanatics willing to use their own children as bomb delivery devices, the end of this conflict is not on the horizon, and shall not be until the process of natural selection eliminates the fanatics from the gene pool. The situation in the Islamic world does not bode well for any assumption of a rapid termination of this conflict.

    As if nearly ten years of internecine warfar doesn't already show that.

    Perhaps you could try to learn something of history and human nature?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is not about 2012. And for your information, today the American people won. THAT is what is important.
    I guess. But this doesn't bring us any closer to bringing home our troops or reducing the security we need. Or reduce the billions of tax dollars we spend daily.
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