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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Largely I agree with you here
    Great!

    though the word provoked is subject to a difference of opinion. If they didn't feel provoked in some way, they likely would have focused some place else. That doesn't excuse there action on any way, but remember, others often hold different views and see things differently.
    Damn! I knew it was too good to be true...

    Just a question. Are we to conduct actions we take around the world based on what radical nut job we might offend? Because I don't think that would work out too well for us.

    So, you're saying AQ doesn't try to influence government policy?
    Islam is a religious political structure. That question has no right answer.

    They try to influence government policy.
    Just as much as what they are trying to do has ramifications in the interests of caliphate, as it does effecting policy.

    You're free to do so.
    Thanks for your permission....

    J, do you think true matters? Or must your national ego be so stroked that you never look honestly at any action? No said anything about begging the UN. See how your lack of national exteem leads you to hyperbole.

    I am growing tired of your projection here. If ANYONE has a poor national esteem it is you.

    We signed agreements, some call that law, and we acted as if our word meant nothing. And we did not act in our interests. Frankly, we acted contrary to our interests, hurting ourselfs more than helping. Spent billions, killed thousands upon thousands, and all for very little that helps us in anyway. Infact, compared to how much it helped our enemies and hurt our reputation, we can't really call the entire thing as anything more than a loss as far as our interests go.

    Your hyperbolic rant has little to do with anything other than your own opinion. Which BTW, you are allowed to hold, no matter how wrong it is.

    Says someone who goes with socialism and death panels.
    More jack assery I see. Get back to me when you can have a real discussion.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just a question. Are we to conduct actions we take around the world based on what radical nut job we might offend? Because I don't think that would work out too well for us.
    Nope, and I've never suggested any such thing. This is another wild leap on your part.


    Islam is a religious political structure. That question has no right answer.
    Of course it does. You just don't like the answer.


    Just as much as what they are trying to do has ramifications in the interests of caliphate, as it does effecting policy.
    But, by the definition you provided, they would be political. Right?




    I am growing tired of your projection here. If ANYONE has a poor national esteem it is you.
    Meaning you don't want to answer. Perhaps you know the truth but want to deny it. The first step is always amitting you have a problem. Those who have a strong sense of self don't turn away from the hard question, can face the truth even when it isn't flattering, and can even allow someone to hold a harsh opinion and hear the words, all without demanding they hear good stuff too.



    Your hyperbolic rant has little to do with anything other than your own opinion. Which BTW, you are allowed to hold, no matter how wrong it is.
    As there was no rant, you again show you don't really have the ability to address the issues as they are. You want a rose colored version that ignores the mistakes and problems associated with your position, and anything less than idealism you want means everyone who looks at ti honestly must hate America.

    More jack assery I see. Get back to me when you can have a real discussion.


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    Show me I'm wrong? If you can. Have you or have you not gone with things?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Those who have a strong sense of self don't turn away from the hard question, can face the truth even when it isn't flattering
    good point

    can you imagine how eric holder must have felt when he ENDORSED the words of the ig: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    it all comes down to character, sydney

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Marc Thiesen has an update/clarification on the AEI blog today. He says, in part:

    Those familiar with the CIA’s interrogations say there is no way we could have gotten KSM to talk without waterboarding. Former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has said, “No. You can say that absolutely. He would not have talked to us in a hundred years. Tough guy. Absolutely committed. He had this mental image of himself as a warrior and a martyr. No way he would talk to us.” A high-ranking CIA official told me, “Everyone will tell you, even people opposed to the program, that [KSM] was not going to talk otherwise. I mean, this was one tough mother. He would get waterboarded and they would watch his fingers because he’d figured out how long it was going to last, and he’d just count on his hands how long he had to hold out. I mean, that is tough. For a psychotic, you’ve got to give the guy his props. And he was going to break by Starsky and Hutch interrogation techniques?”
    Theissen asserts that "terrorists are trained to lie about their treatment—but they generally lie to exaggerate what they went through, not downplay it." Sounds right to me.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    good point

    can you imagine how eric holder must have felt when he ENDORSED the words of the ig: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    it all comes down to character, sydney
    Still not providing what I asked for. I know I scare you, but I ahve asked for something specific.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    ask the attorney general, syd

    unless HE's scared of you too

    LOL!

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ask the attorney general, syd

    unless HE's scared of you too

    LOL!
    I'm asking you. It's ok to admit there is no such evidence.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    LOL!

    if there's no evidence then why would the ig report say, "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    and why would doj sign off

    think much?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    if there's no evidence then why would the ig report say, "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    and why would doj sign off

    think much?
    There are any number of reasons. But the point is, I can and have proved evidence to the contrary. Why can't you at least equal it?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are any number of reasons. But the point is, I can and have proved evidence to the contrary. Why can't you at least equal it?
    > : = you lose
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