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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Did you check the date on the article you linked? It is like almost 2 years old.

    From your link (actually I had to go seek the story myself because your link is the url to the last page and I couldn't get to the first page from there:

    How a Detainee Became An Asset
    Sept. 11 Plotter Cooperated After Waterboarding
    By Peter Finn, Joby Warrick and Julie Tate
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, August 29, 2009




    Mohammed, in statements to the International Committee of the Red Cross, said some of the information he provided was untrue.

    "During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time," he said.

    Critics say waterboarding and other harsh methods are unacceptable regardless of their results, and those with detailed knowledge of the CIA's program say the existing assessments offer no scientific basis to draw conclusions about effectiveness.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Did you check the date on the article you linked?
    yes, august 29, 2009

    because the cia's ig report was RELEASED BY HOLDER'S DEPT on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009

    your link is the url to the last page and I couldn't get to the first page from there
    yes, i accidentally linked to page 3 of wapo's story

    it was the article about the ig's report RELEASED BY DOJ on the monday preceding aug 29

    the one that, according to the ig, ENDORSED BY HOLDER, declares unequivocally that ksm underwent "transformation," "reversal" in the month after his capture only after "his spirit was broken" by very severe eit's

    at which point he "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent," conducted "terrorist tutorials," became langley's "preeminent source," allowing our agents to "round up operatives" and "leverage and cross reference..."

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    those are the ig's words, plain as a pane

    as released by eric holder's doj

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yes, august 29, 2009

    because the cia's ig report was RELEASED BY HOLDER'S DEPT on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009



    yes, i accidentally linked to page 3 of wapo's story

    it was the article about the ig's report RELEASED BY DOJ on the monday preceding aug 29

    the one that, according to the ig, ENDORSED BY HOLDER, declares unequivocally that ksm underwent "transformation," "reversal" in the month after his capture only after "his spirit was broken" by very severe eit's

    at which point he "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent," conducted "terrorist tutorials," became langley's "preeminent source," allowing our agents to "round up operatives" and "leverage and cross reference..."

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    those are the ig's words, plain as a pane

    as released by eric holder's doj
    It will be difficult to ascertain the truth, because Holder is now saying he doesn't know, and Rumsfeld, who at first said torture didn't play a part is now claiming that it did. I, for one, am tired of beating this dead horse!

    Attorney General Eric Holder was asked during a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing on Tuesday whether any intelligence information that led to the bin Laden mission was the result of enhanced interrogation techniques.

    “There was a mosaic of sources that led to the identification of the people who led to [bin Laden],” the attorney general said.

    “I understand that,” replied Rep. Dan Lungren (R) of California. “But were any pieces of that mosaic the result of enhanced interrogation techniques?”

    Attorney General Holder: “I do not know.”
    Did harsh interrogation tactics help US find Osama bin Laden? - CSMonitor.com



    Rumsfeld and other US officials say torture didn't help catch bin Laden
    Cory Doctorow at 12:16 PM Wednesday, May 4, 2011
    Reports from present and former senior US officials, including Donald Rumsfeld, indicate that waterboarding and other forms of torture practiced by the US and its allies were not useful in locating Osama bin Laden. Rather, traditional military intelligence techniques -- covert operatives, surveillance -- yielded the intelligence that led to bin Laden's assassination. This confirms earlier White House discussion of the intelligence that led to ObL's death.

    Rumsfeld and other US officials say torture didn't help catch bin Laden - Boing Boing



    Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Fox News’s Sean Hannity that the Obama administration would not have had “the kinds of intelligence that was critically important,” but for the aggressive efforts of the Bush administration.

    “Anyone who suggests that the enhanced techniques, let’s be blunt – waterboarding – did not produce an enormous amount of valuable intelligence just isn’t facing the truth,” he said.

    Did harsh interrogation tactics help US find Osama bin Laden? - CSMonitor.com



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Perhaps you should offer a link to the words you attribute to McCain, so we can check and make sure McCain said them? Seems like McCain is calling out the lies being made by the Republicans who want to take some credit!
    It was you, in post 1350, which I was quoting.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You would consider dropping bombs on a compound as equal to shooting an unarmed man? You make leaps I'm not willing to make.
    true, bombing you could kill an innocent person



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    It will be difficult to ascertain the truth, because Holder is now saying he doesn't know, and Rumsfeld, who at first said torture didn't play a part is now claiming that it did. I, for one, am tired of beating this dead horse!
    Rumsfeld never said torture did not play a part. You are misinterpreting with what he said. Rumsfeld was certainly in a position to know. Much more so than John McClain.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    669. Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew “Bin Laden’s death” in advance (5/10/2011)

    C.Y. and W.S. will host a wedding party for their son on May 15. That date may be arranged by the Feds. They used to plan a raid on a party when their targets gather together. May is the last month of their project – when Patriot Act will end.

    That’s why I think May 15 will be an operation day for Feds to frame a drug case, or a FISA case. (Foreign spy case, it is easy to frame a case when Chinese secret police is bribed to collaborate with the Feds.) It seems they will link me into the case with that vehicle. The couple borrowed the car last Tuesday and kept it since. My wife doesn’t care and said, “they may need it in wedding party”. (She doesn’t drive after her foot is hurt).

    Of course, there will be “terror attack” around May 15 to distract. That’s why there was a “Bin Laden’s death” show played on May 1st. It was a forgery stage show created by the Feds, that’s obvious. You can learn it from the following news.

    Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught

    Posted by Ingrid Turner on Apr 25, 2011

    Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (NEWSTABULOUS) – According to news reported by WikiLeaks, threats have been received from al-Qaeda terrorists, stating that they will “unleash a nuclear hellstorm” upon Western countries if Osama bin Laden is ever caught or killed.

    Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught | Newstabulous - Headlines



    WikiLeaks: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons
    Author: ICWN | Monday, April 25th, 2011


    The militant group al-Qaeda claims to have nuclear weapons and did not hesitate to use them if their leader, Osama bin Laden captured or killed by the United States. Not yet known exactly where al-Qaeda’s nuclear weapons are stored, but are found in Europe.


    WikiLeaks: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons
    Five days before May 1st, Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew of “Bin Laden’s death” would have happened and announced a warning. The news is a clumsy product of the “disinformation office” of the Feds. It means:

    1. Al Qaida have nuclear weapon. They haven’t used it because Bin Laden hadn’t been caught or killed.
    2. Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew Bin Laden would be killed several days later so issued a warning.

    3.That news can be used to justify the coming “nuke bomb attack”. (or dirty bomb attack)
    It proves this was a planned conspiracy. Wikileaks and Al Qaida are all work for the US intelligence. I have already talked about it in “655. Bin Laden and Julian Assange, False flag and living plant (12/7/2010)”.


    White House “Situation Room” Photo locked all Obama administration members into that plot. They are bound to a “false flag terror attack” war tank now by the Feds and will be ridden to “nuclear bombing attack” field and “Iran war” hill. That “terror attack” will happen soon, with great opportunity at coming week-ends.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, bombing you could kill an innocent person
    If we had Al Capone, captured, on his knees, would you call shooting him legal or illegal? Moral or immoral?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    AQ is a terror org that attacked us unprovoked. Now you may wish to support them through covering that up as in redefining them as some quasi political entity. It doesn't mean they are.
    Largely I agree with you here, though the word provoked is subject to a difference of opinion. If they didn't feel provoked in some way, they likely would have focused some place else. That doesn't excuse there action on any way, but remember, others often hold different views and see things differently.

    Sorry dude, you are spinning here....Our own IRS defines a "political org" as follows:

    So, you're saying AQ doesn't try to influence government policy?

    Please try if you can and explain how AQ fits this criteria in your eyes.
    They try to influence government policy.

    You'll excuse me if I disagree.
    You're free to do so.

    I don't think you do Joe.

    You believe this country ignoble, and engaged in illegal activity, to the extent that rather than exercise our sovereignty, we should beg UN approval for ever increasing functions that are solely in our own interests.
    J, do you think true matters? Or must your national ego be so stroked that you never look honestly at any action? No said anything about begging the UN. See how your lack of national exteem leads you to hyperbole. We signed agreements, some call that law, and we acted as if our word meant nothing. And we did not act in our interests. Frankly, we acted contrary to our interests, hurting ourselfs more than helping. Spent billions, killed thousands upon thousands, and all for very little that helps us in anyway. Infact, compared to how much it helped our enemies and hurt our reputation, we can't really call the entire thing as anything more than a loss as far as our interests go.



    You certainly do have a flair for exaggeration.

    j-mac
    Says someone who goes with socialism and death panels.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    hurting ourselfs
    dept chair, huh?

    LOL!

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